Burnsville, MN
Payment sent, would love #69, my wife's birthdate is 6/9/69.
Love giving for a good cause>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Quoted from haunted1:Money sent, glad to be able to help. flippers crossed. Will likely purchase one for the acdc when that happens as well.
Thank You! You are number 31
Quoted from doughslingers:Thank You! You are number 31
Buddy, I think you already gave me 31...
Quoted from haunted1:Money sent, glad to be able to help. flippers crossed. Will likely purchase one for the acdc when that happens as well.
Number 31 is yours. Another asked but I overlooked. That is why I am trying to show the numbers as quick as possible.
Quoted from Craig:Hi, Buddy. Please hold numbers 9 and 31 for me. I'll send the money a little later today. If you run short of buyers, I'll get a couple more.
Best wishes,
Craig
Hi Craig
I overlooked number 31 as it was already taken overnight. Please let me know of another number and I will quickly add it to the spreadsheet. Sorry for the confusion. Just want it all correct.
Thanks
Buddy
Quoted from mountaingamer:I'm considering buying a ticket - is there a deadline date for the tickets to be sold by?
Sometime before the lawyers, IRS and Virginia's Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs read this thread.
Quoted from Blackjacker:Sometime before the lawyers, IRS and Virginia's Office of Charitable and Regulatory Programs read this thread.
Good point. Dough might want to check on the legality of holding an arbitrary raffle before going through with this.... (And the answer would be no, it's not.) Raffles fall under state gaming laws, and online raffles are, well, simply 'problematic.' ESPECIALLY if you are not a non-profit organization.
I would seriously suggest something like a kickstarter or crowdfunding approach. Raffles are a legally different beast (they are considered gambling).
Quoted from StevenP:Good point. Dough might want to check on the legality of holding an arbitrary raffle before going through with this.... (And the answer would be no, it's not.) Raffles fall under state gaming laws, and online raffles are, well, simply 'problematic.' ESPECIALLY if you are not a non-profit organization.
Ah, why get bogged down in legal stuff. this is just a quick fundraiser for us pinsiders. don't make a problem where there isn't one.
Quoted from frolic:Ah, why get bogged down in legal stuff. this is just a quick fundraiser for us pinsiders. don't make a problem where there isn't one.
Yeah, but there IS a real problem, and Pinside would be liable for hosting ILLEGAL activities. Go the crowdfunding route, which is fine. I'm not dissing the cause, just the method. Personal raffles are not legal, esp. online ones.
I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I did find this info on Virginia Gambling law:
Code Section - 18.2-325 et seq.; 59.1-364 et seq. states:
"Bingo, raffles and duck races sponsored by nonprofit organizations; contests of skill or speed between men, animals, fowl or vehicles; games of chance in private residences legal. Winning by fraud illegal."
So with that said.....Buddy if you're willing to assist in shipping the machine or allow for pick-up to be in VA, I would look to buy a ticket. Let me know!
Quoted from meSz:I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I did find this info on Virginia Gambling law:
Code Section - 18.2-325 et seq.; 59.1-364 et seq. states:
"Bingo, raffles and duck races sponsored by nonprofit organizations; contests of skill or speed between men, animals, fowl or vehicles; games of chance in private residences legal. Winning by fraud illegal."
So with that said.....Buddy if you're willing to assist in shipping the machine or allow for pick-up to be in VA, I would look to buy a ticket. Let me know!
Can we please make this a duck race instead of a raffle. Only if I can keep the duck
Quoted from StevenP:Good point. Dough might want to check on the legality of holding an arbitrary raffle before going through with this.... (And the answer would be no, it's not.) Raffles fall under state gaming laws, and online raffles are, well, simply 'problematic.' ESPECIALLY if you are not a non-profit organization.
I would seriously suggest something like a kickstarter or crowdfunding approach. Raffles are a legally different beast (they are considered gambling).
Central Drive-In (Norton, Virginia) From our facebook page.
We've been asked why we didn't make a Kickstarter account. We are not able to because Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills. Kickstarter cannot be used to fund e-commerce, business, and social networking websites or apps.
Quoted from meSz:Buddy, will you ship the machine ?
Yes domestic 48 states shipping is included.
Quoted from doughslingers:Central Drive-In (Norton, Virginia) From our facebook page.
We've been asked why we didn't make a Kickstarter account. We are not able to because Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills. Kickstarter cannot be used to fund e-commerce, business, and social networking websites or apps.
Well, you should do similar research on the legality of raffles. Online raffles for for-profit ventures are simply not legal. Even if you "just post them on Pinside." And you're putting Pinside at risk here. Nice.
Aren't there other crowdfunding sources apart from Kickstarter that can be used to assist businesses? I'm not sure, but I believe there's a nuance where it is generally OK to assist businesses if the donors get something in return for for their contributions.
Disclaimer: Yes, I am a lawyer by day but this does not constitute legal advice or opinion. Just a simple summary of what a general web search turns up consistently.
Quoted from meSz:I am not a lawyer, nor have I played one on TV, but I did find this info on Virginia Gambling law:
Code Section - 18.2-325 et seq.; 59.1-364 et seq. states:
"Bingo, raffles and duck races sponsored by nonprofit organizations; contests of skill or speed between men, animals, fowl or vehicles; games of chance in private residences legal. Winning by fraud illegal."
So with that said.....Buddy if you're willing to assist in shipping the machine or allow for pick-up to be in VA, I would look to buy a ticket. Let me know!
Va has a lottery, allows for real gambling machines in truck stops that pays out quarters, even allows for track horse racing from off site locations. Now you cant have a cherry master or 8 liner machines anymore since the state has its own lottery. I have looked into it and its all legal.
its no different than churches, Shriners, Harley Biker clubs, High School Band Boosters. I posted a few days ago to gauge reaction so I wanted to make sure. As long as I pay tax on the profit I am ok. The IRS gets there share an state taxes too. Thanks again for the concern but this is the only time I will be doing this but it will help to fill in 5k profit to get closer to 30k so I can borrow money at 54 percent to stay open. I already borrowed 1.9 million and there is no more money for m to borrow as I am most banks legal limit due to loan reserves. No joke here is the loan info where you can borrow on property so well buy store fixtures or equipment forget about it. I just need a little help to keep a long tern tradition alive and reopen next spring on time. Please dont hate let me get thru this. I dont think I can make the money needed with bake sales. Maybe naming rights??? Thank you for calling Freedom Ford's Central Drive in or Honda saves Central Drive in now showing. That is the kind of other ideas tossed around so the donation/drawing seems best.
Quoted from doughslingers:Va has a lottery, allows for real gambling machines in truck stops that pays out quarters, even allows for track horse racing from off site locations. Now you cant have a cherry master or 8 liner machines anymore since the state has its own lottery. I have looked into it and its all legal.
its no different than churches, Shriners, Harley Biker clubs, High School Band Boosters. I posted a few days ago to gauge reaction so I wanted to make sure. As long as I pay tax on the profit I am ok. The IRS gets there share an state taxes too. Thanks again for the concern but this is the only time I will be doing this but it will help to fill in 5k profit to get closer to 30k so I can borrow money at 54 percent to stay open. I already borrowed 1.9 million and there is no more money for m to borrow as I am most banks legal limit due to loan reserves. No joke here is the loan info where you can borrow on property so well buy store fixtures or equipment forget about it. I just need a little help to keep a long tern tradition alive and reopen next spring on time. Please dont hate let me get thru this. I dont think I can make the money needed with bake sales. Maybe naming rights??? Thank you for calling Freedom Ford's Central Drive in or Honda saves Central Drive in now showing. That is the kind of other ideas tossed around so the donation/drawing seems best.
Two big differences. One, you are not a non-profit organization. Two, your raffle is online. People are sending money from other states. So Virginia laws don't apply here. I suggest you look into this further before deciding whether to continue this. Not hating on you or your cause; just providing a bit of info to help keep you (and Pinside) out of trouble.
I would not be even trying this if we were not desperate, the task is daunting. 80k is alot of cash and we pushed that voting so much, I was sure we would have won but I am trying the best way to get it reopened next year.
This is the stuff that bothers the crap out of me, all this waste of tax money read here. The Va film office throws money around but only to people making the money not showing the film (movie) But this one below takes the cake as it might create a drunk driver. Where is the help for a 61 year old business that has paid taxes, real estate and sales and brings in tourist from out of state since I am near the border of Ky and Tn. It just saddens me.
RICHMOND—Seven Virginia agricultural producers have received more than $891,000 in grants to improve the sales of their value-added farm products.
And $826,000 of that grant money is going to six producers who attended grant writing workshops offered by the Virginia Foundation for Agriculture, Innovation and Rural Sustainability, an affiliate of the Virginia Farm Bureau Federation.
"To get a value-added producer grant, you have to have a business plan and a marketing plan, and most small producers don’t have the resources to do that," said Suzanne Lawson, marketing director for Mountain Rose Vineyards in Wise County. After its operators attended the workshops, the vineyardwas awarded $147,980.
"You need a plan that allows you to compete, and it comes down to who has the best grant application," Lawson said.
VA FAIRS held three workshops in 2009. The first offered general information about the value-added producer grant program available through the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Rural Development agency.
The second workshop taught grant-writing techniques, and the third was for producers who wanted to apply for the Rural Development grants. Nine participants spent two days writing their applications.
Of the nine who attended the final workshop, seven submitted applications and all seven were deemed eligible for grant funding consideration. Nationwide, nearly half of all applications were ineligible.
"Eligibility is a major hurdle for this program, so just by attending the workshops and learning how to properly apply, these farmers stood a very high chance of receiving money," said Chris Cook, agriculture enterprise development coordinator and executive director of VA FAIRS. "We were very fortunate to have USDA Rural Development’s active involvement in this workshop series. Partnerships like this can make all the difference."
Contact Cook at 804-290-1111
Quoted from DCFAN:$12,553.03 is one hefty monthly payment.
The arcade and movie business must be lucrative.
It was to these new digital projectors came along. I had to get 9 at the indoor but those are smaller with less light bulb a 3000 watt vs 6500 watt needed at drive in. We still went overbudget and we thought we had 2 more years for film for drive ins and smaller indoor movie houses. Just too quick now.
The pin market has been so hot that anything bought and even routed has been sold at a profit for the last 7 years. Incredible lack of depreciation. Most of the money comes from Pool tables, airhockey and redemption games. Classic video games like Ms Pac Man Galaga still earn ok.
Check this for some crowdfunding options that may be helpful for your needs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_crowd_funding_services
Funds sent whatever number is fine Buddy.
We are also trying to save our local drive-in.
Midway drive-in Sterling IL.
Thanks!
Beauharnois
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:StevenP, just let it go.
finally someone said it!
This is not an online raffle, you are just hearing about it here instead of in person, but you can drive to VA and Buddy will tell you all about it. No different than getting an email or a tweet or a posting on Facebook or a text message from a friend. You are buying a ticket, yes you can drive to Buddy and pay him in person, mail him a check or send it to him another way. There will be physical tickets from which a winner will be hand drawn, not electronically picked. I see no where that this is an online raffle.
You are a great guy and hope the best to you. It's really none of my business Buddy, but is the note you posted for the indoor theater you are trying to convert? If so, you just took the note out and you have three months before you no longer have access to current movies if you don't upgrade?
I see your company took out the loan. I hope you didn't sign personally as well. Having experienced a family business failure, the one thing I can say is to get out when you can if there is an end in sight. Don't allow pride to suck every last penny and asset down with the dying business. Not trying to be a downer but if it is as dire as you say it is, you need to think about yourself and your family and try to shelter as many assets as you can. Again, I don't mean to be a downer, just concerned for a genuinely good guy. Pm me if you ever need to talk, vent or ask questions.
Quoted from coasterguy:Funds sent whatever number is fine Buddy.
We are also trying to save our local drive-in.
Midway drive-in Sterling IL.
Thanks!
The McHenry Outdoor got saved in IL they puled out all the stops played Grease at 4am and gave away free donuts. I hope Honda can save more all across the country.
You are a great guy and hope the best to you. It's really none of my business Buddy, but is the note you posted for the indoor theater you are trying to convert? If so, you just took the note out and you have three months before you no longer have access to current movies if you don't upgrade?
I see your company took out the loan. I hope you didn't sign personally as well. Having experienced a family business failure, the one thing I can say is to get out when you can if there is an end in sight. Don't allow pride to suck every last penny and asset down with the dying business. Not trying to be a downer but if it is as dire as you say it is, you need to think about yourself and your family and try to shelter as many assets as you can. Again, I don't mean to be a downer, just concerned for a genuinely good guy. Pm me if you ever need to talk, vent or ask questions.
It is bad for drive ins as there is no repayment back from the film studios. I have had the newer indoor open for 5 years and it still somewhat easy to refinance property for what ever purpose. I will be safe, years ago before owning the bldg the rent was around 9k now I have a much nicer place that will someday go to the kids after 20 more years.
I do appreciate your concern and thats one of the reasons I no longer help on a local buiness board as it so hard to say goodbye. I already posted it on my drive in so everyone will not be in shock if we do not get to reopen.
Quoted from UKCatsFan76:This is not an online raffle, you are just hearing about it here instead of in person, but you can drive to VA and Buddy will tell you all about it. No different than getting an email or a tweet or a posting on Facebook or a text message from a friend. You are buying a ticket, yes you can drive to Buddy and pay him in person, mail him a check or send it to him another way. There will be physical tickets from which a winner will be hand drawn, not electronically picked. I see no where that this is an online raffle.
I *hope* you're not a lawyer, because any advice you give is dangerously wrong. This is an online raffle, pure and simple.
Here's a bit of info that you may want to ponder (if you can): Did you know that you can't even buy any (legal) state lottery tickets online? Anywhere? There's a reason for that.
Sure, easy for ignorant bystanders to say "let it go," but my comments are meant for the OP and Robin, who stand to be liable for these actions. Sorry, reality sucks sometimes. Don't shoot the messenger.
P.S. Somebody else here (not me) had already alerted Robin to the issues with this raffle. I could just pm doughslinger, but I thought it would be good to educate others here before they try the same thing. My bad, I guess.
$250 sent for two chances. If possible, I would like #13 and #24. Please let me know.
Also, when will you have the drawing at Expo?
I would like to be there.
Thanks,
Jim
[email protected]
Quoted from StevenP:Sure, easy for ignorant bystanders to say "let it go," but my comments are meant for the OP and Robin, who stand to be liable for these actions. Sorry, reality sucks sometimes. Don't shoot the messenger.
Thanks for calling me an ignorant bystander. Appreciate that.
Quoted from StevenP:I *hope* you're not a lawyer, because any advice you give is dangerously wrong. This is an online raffle, pure and simple.
We get it.
Maybe you should consider making a donation to this cause. Live on the edge.
Quoted from StevenP:Sure, easy for ignorant bystanders to say "let it go," but my comments are meant for the OP and Robin, who stand to be liable for these actions.
How exactly is Robin liable for anything? Are you saying Robin has personal liability of some kind for things posted here on Pinside?
*added in an edit for clarification purposes: note I am not disagreeing with Steve's post, just questioning one facet of it*
Quoted from TigerLaw:How exactly is Robin liable for anything? Are you saying Robin has personal liability of some kind for things posted here on Pinside?
Get them Tiger! Do not let them rain on our parade 
Look, we all donated to help a guy get a Tommy pinball machine. Nobody complained...nobody! We can all donate to help a guy with a piece of equipment for his Drive-In. If he wants to give one of us a game to thank him, that is great. If the guy with the Tommy wanted to send some posters out, that would be OK with everyone, right?
Please guys, just give the guy a break.
Jim
Quoted from Bohdi:Payment sent, would love #69, my wife's birthdate is 6/9/69.
Love giving for a good cause>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What number did I receive Buddy? TY
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