JJP don't give a toss about American, they are trying to keep themselves in business first! so no I don't agree.

In my view its the first recognition that JJP has realised they had the pricing wrong on its games for a while with some experimentation they have done on recent hobbit deals they've probably found a sweet spot thats going to shift a lot more tin and wood. And from my POV a welcome decision. Look at the after market pricing on Dialed in, to sell them you have to seriously take a punch on the price I got mine for nearly £3000 of the list! with a few hundred plays on it. They've taken a mech out (Which in no way represents the $1000) to placate those paying a lot more, you can see it when you are in arcades around the world, the only JJP game that is usually there is WoZ because operators have got so much choice in the market why would they pony up $2000 more on a game that isn't going to make them any more money than one for $6000, I can see future JJP games being designed for a BOM that starts at that price-margin (and maybe lower if this doesn't work).

They need to use the music tied more to modes in my view, can you imagine iron maiden with hitting a target getting a short play of run to the hills? no no no. What they need is a banging high tempo remake of the Oompaloompa song as a mini frenzy wizard mode, or bin the kid multi ball and get them dancing all over the freaking screens during that multi ball make all those freaking lights light up like someone dropped a nuke, bring the movie into the modern era... (waits for the wrath of pinside to shoot me in the head).

I'm not seeing any problem here Keith . *

* just pulling' your leg!

inviting the podcast gang in to review the machine was not a great choice, they are enthusiasts rather than professional journalists like Martin or Jonathan who would have given a more measured assessment of the game. But no matter what anyone basing a 10K purchase on something that you haven't played is just stupid.

Neil.

Flynn - not having a dig at anyone when I said that... does you podcast ever review games?

Indeed. The point is that if you are a platform and you have early access you give first impressions - hugely important.

maybe a little, but I know they aren't objective, others don't.

go to the pro's who know what they are doing:

https://uk.ign.com/articles/2019/03/26/black-knight-sword-of-rage-pinball-revealed-first-images-video-details-and-an-interview-with-creator-steve-ritchie

On Tuesdays and Wednesdays I can read minds - doesn’t work on Thursdays though!

Jokes aside - I know it because it’s human nature - its a “flaw” we all have although in my view it’s not a flaw it’s a glorious human strength to be positive about things. But the pro’s train themselves to cope with it but like any other profession it requires time, skill and experience and even then they often have first impression bias.

Oh for sure but even with that they manage hype vs fact pretty decently.

just reflecting on having played the game a week ago...

I think those that love Lawlor games will love this, its super like Dialed In but less brickey on the shots and no theatre magnet BS. The shot into the pops is lovely. The upper right flipper works lovely. But that said it didn't have that one more go feeling to me as much as I'd like it too. I think this game has the potential to be very good but the code guys have it in their hands. Right now, my feeling is one of hmm, this is nice, shoot shoot shoot, hmm what now? i.e. a little boring.

I do think they need to bring into play the WW assets much more in your face, an oompalompa mode with that music booming, spend the money on candyman and get the order of the game more lined up to the movie.