(Topic ID: 231367)

Williams System 6 Firepower won't boot

By rlbohon3

2 years ago

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#18 2 years ago

I was in the same boat as you, but I decided to buy the Siegcraft testing fixtures instead of a Rottendog.
The reason I went that way was is because I have 3 sys6 CPUs and 2 driver boards.

My boards are not as good as your pictured CPU.
I learned a lot about troubleshooting these in the past couple of weeks.

First thing I learned is that the game ROMs ARE ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS for troubleshooting a board who's past is unknown.
If there is even the smallest defect those ROMs do NOTHNG except flash the LEDs briefly and then lock on.

You REALLY must acquire a test ROM to make any progress on boards with defects.
I used the Andre v2.0 test ROM (sys7.bin - 2716 ROM) most since it has pretty comprehensive tests for major components.
(and it runs EVEN IF there are several defective components and the driver board does not have to be attached to test only CPU components)
You can leave the other ROMs in, just put the test ROM in the IC17 location.
You need to make the little LED board that the Andre v2.0 manual describes. (I think it took me 10 minutes to make one)
Once you have all the Andre tests passed (except PIA V sys7 only) you can think about putting the game ROMs back in.

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I highly recommend switching the six ROM configuration to the three ROM configuration. (2732 with FPcombo.732)
linked here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/firepower-tech-repair-and-restore

Then the Siegcraft boards (display tester, diag. switch, and lamp matrix PCBs) show that the game runs and you can step through the standard tests.

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This is all SO much easier on the bench instead of in the backbox.
Right now I have all three CPUs and one driver board working properly, one driver board is still not working, parts ordered.

Just things I wish I could have known about BEFORE I started down the sys6 board repair road......

#20 2 years ago
Quoted from pincoder:

You can also try these test ROMs: http://pincoder.reversion.ca
You can run them in-game. just write a test ROM image to a chip and insert it where the green flipper 2 ROM is. all others can stay in the game. the LED test will tell you if your CPU is functioning and later tests will check RAM and CMOS, PIAs, etc.

Have you made a way to use your tests without switching a ROM for every test?

That is really hard on sockets.
I have used those too just found Andre ROM covers many tests without swapping.

I really like your tests better if there was a switch tests easier.

Could you use The Andre LED user I/F and combine your tests?

#25 2 years ago

I purchased an Aries 24 pin ZIF socket from Mouser for $10
Worth it!
Thanks for your hard work on those test programs.
BTW I tossed out my ROM emulator years ago.

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#27 1 year ago

I added my System 6 (Firepower) bench test experience on YouTube.

Sorry for the blotchy video, just my iPhone.

Used the Pincoder ROM leds.bin to get the CPU to flash the two LEDs.
I also got the Pincoder displays.bin to work with the Siegecraft display before trying the Andre 2.0 ROM.


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