(Topic ID: 23474)

Williams System 11B Interconnect Board Problem - Damaged Connector

By RCA1

11 years ago


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  • Latest reply 11 years ago by johnwartjr
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#1 11 years ago

Help!

Just realized that I have an issue with one of the connector sockets on the backbox interconnect board on my Taxi (Board is part D-12185-553).
The 2J7 socket is damaged. The plastic around pins 9 and 10 is broken off and missing. When I unplugged the connector, pin 9 came away with the wiring connector. (Whoa!)
Plugged it back in (carefully) and suprisingly everything still works. As noted, the board mounted half of the connector is physically broken and the pin 9-10 area plastic is missing. The other half of the connector (the wired end) is slightly toasted in this area, and the connection runs pretty warm when plugged in and running.

How serious is this? What do I do about it?

I suspect that repair is needed. I am not a proficient solder artist. I can barely solder lamp sockets in place and have no desire to fool around with board work. A quick google search did not turn up many parts references to the board and those were out of stock and/or $100+.

Suggestions and advice would be appreciated.

#2 11 years ago

What you describe is very common on System 11 games. That is the GI circuit. The fix is easy. Remove the board, desolder the old male connector, clean up, solder new connector on. Repin female side. Have a beer.

More info...
http://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Williams_System_9_-_11#General_Illumination_Issues
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#3 11 years ago

+1 Don't forget to replace lamps with LED's so it never happens again.

#4 11 years ago

LEDs are not necessary, keep your pin looking classy and original Rebuild the connector, in home use, it'll be fine

#5 11 years ago
Quoted from ChrisHibler:

That is the GI circuit.

Yes, excactly, fooling with the 9 and 10 wires knocks out sections of the backbox GI.

Quoted from Honch:

Don't forget to replace lamps with LED's so it never happens again

Was wondering about that, thanks!

Quoted from ChrisHibler:

desolder the old male connector, clean up, solder new connector on. Repin female side

As noted, I suck at soldering. How easy is this? Suggestions on where to get the parts?

Thanks for the info. Feeling better (I guess) that this is a common issue.

#6 11 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

keep your pin looking classy and original

John, the bulbs on those circuits are GI behind the glass in the backbox. Seems like the appearance would be exactly the same with LED's since they are behind translucent painted glass. I may change those out to reduce the current draw and heat in the connector. Gotta get it fixed first though. Thanks.

#7 11 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

LEDs are not necessary, keep your pin looking classy and original [] Rebuild the connector, in home use, it'll be fine []

It couldn't hurt, could it?? "Classy", is in the eye of the beholder.

#8 11 years ago
Quoted from RCA1:

As noted, I suck at soldering. How easy is this? Suggestions on where to get the parts?

www.greatplainselectronics.com for the parts. There are many sources, but I like Ed's service.

Repairing that will be the most trivial pinball PCB repair you'll ever make. Since you don't have a solder sucker of any kind, and your a newb, I'd recommend separating each pin with a carpet knife. They should fracture pretty easily since they are heat stressed. You can then heat and remove each pin separately. A pro would use his desoldering station to remove the header, clean up the old solder, and then replace it. Pay close attention to keying pins.

The female side...you can use the easier and cheaper IDC connectors as were originally used. As the old saying goes, you get what you pay for. IDC connectors are inferior to crimp-on style trifurcon pins, which I'd recommend.

This is a good opportunity to dip your toe into the pinball repair world. Have fun!
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#9 11 years ago

Chris - Thanks for all the info and advice.
I'll take this slowly and see how it comes out.

Love that step in your plan. May repeat it several times.

#10 11 years ago

RCA: I had the exact same issue on my taxi interconnect. I had zero soldering experience prior.

I bought the male/female parts from Great Plains. I bought the connectors that had the exact number on pins on each so I didn't have to cut anything.

Grab a solder sucker from radioshack.

Honestly, it's a pretty easy repair to make. You can handle it. Pulling the board off the backbox is the biggest pain of the whole ordeal! I find this type of repair is actually easier than under a pin as the interconnect will be situated right in front of you at a desk or the like, as opposed to crammed under a playfield.

And when you're done, you'll feel fantastic when the lights come back on!

#11 11 years ago
Quoted from Blackbeard:

Pulling the board off the backbox is the biggest pain of the whole ordeal!

Without a doubt. One of the really tedious things about working on System 11 games. At least once you have it out and fix it, there is very little need after that to remove it again.
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#12 11 years ago

Another option would be to see if you have someone near you that can do the repair for you.
You could watch and gain some insight.
But as others have stated , this is a common issue and repair. If you elect to do the repair just stay focused and calm. Take your time. You'll find that you can do it!

#13 11 years ago

you'll have to pigtail the trifurcons, or use larger wire sized connectors as you can't loop through the small gauge types. I'll also wire wrap the male connector on the back of the board where the pins are the same (looped on the female connector side).

I like 47s behind backglasses as LEDs have that spotlight effect.

I was totally against LEDs in GI until i saw the warm white superbright retros cointaker has. $1 a pop but look very close to incadescent.

-c

#14 11 years ago
Quoted from CraigC:

you'll have to pigtail the trifurcons

Or just stick with the IDC.

I believe this is no on route, so IDC is fine. Less involved than having the pigtail.

#15 11 years ago

You guys are great. Appreciate all the help.

Something was bothering me and needed to get home to have another look.
Here's the really odd thing. The female (wire) end connector HAS been switched out to a crimped style trifurcon connector. The male (board) end looks like original IDC. I'm guessing that you're not supposed to do this.

I think I will go to trifurcon, although this is for my home only. I think I'll also do the 2J9 socket right next door, since it also looks boogered up.

A couple final questions:
All the wires teminate at the connections here, they do not loop through in both directions. That means no pigtails, right? (There aren't any now)

This stuff is all 0.156 size, right?

I think I have my parts shopping list ready to go, but before I order, is there anything I need to add?
Headers (Friction lock or non?)
Connector Plugs
Crimp Contacts (Which ones?)
Keying Plug
Crimper tool to match crimp contacts

Will also swing by the local Radio Shack to get a cheap solder sucker and a low power soldering iron (don't think I want to use my soldering gun, too hot).

Again, thanks for all the help.

#16 11 years ago

2J9 is direct, no looping. The only looping is on 2J7.

A lot of techs replace 1 side of the connector - the one on the board that melts down - and leaves the original tarnished/oxidized pins, which eventually wreck the new connector. To fix it 'right', both halves have to be replaced. The increased resistance on the tarnished pins turns to heat, which breaks down the replacement connector much faster than the originals.

While the board is out, look close at both sides of the board and check for burns or other physical damage that may not be evident with the board installed in the game. Also, if you have a meter and know how to use it, you should check all of the cement resistors on the board (the big whitish ones) as they sometimes go bad and the values change. Grab your manual and confirm the value of each of the resistors to what is installed, as the resistor values are different from game to game, but the boards can be used in many games. The games have different sized resistors depending on how many flash lamps are in the circuit.

#17 11 years ago
Quoted from johnwartjr:

check all of the cement resistors on the board

Thanks, will do. Can the resistance be checked with them installed? Seems like that should work, sicne there's no other connection, but have not done it before.

#18 11 years ago

Should be fine, as there's nothing else in circuit with them.

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