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Williams Swinger Restoration and (Eventual) Retheme


By RyanClaytor

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#401 3 years ago

Glad you'll be able to finish this project!

#402 3 years ago

Whoa, pretty scary. Glad I'll see you at Expo.

#403 3 years ago

Glad you're ok. A friend of mine is getting a pacemaker that'll be inserted under his collarbone and it didn't sound so invasive from what he told me.

Bruce

#404 3 years ago

Good luck with your health. Some of the things that were said don't match up with what I was told about a-fib at all. Are you going to get a follow-up with a specialist? If there is one thing they hammer on about a-fib, its that it is not an immediate life-threatening condition. Yes it will cause increased odds of a stroke, yes it can go off and make you very uncomfortable, but it does not cause your heart to stop from what I understand. Also, I never heard mention of a pacemaker for a-fib. For other types of arrhythmias, yes a pacemaker might be common but it was never once mentioned to me to get a pacemaker.

The internet is nowhere to get medical advice of course But I know more about a-fib than most. Sudden onset, idiopathic persistent a-fib, cardioversions, anti-arrhythmia drugs, blood-thinning drugs, the heart rate monitor thingie that you wear, and finally, ablation surgery - I've lived through it all. The ablation did the trick and cured me, at least for 2 years so far.

#405 3 years ago

Ryan, so very happy your heart is beating - and regularly. Stay healthy! Games can wait. Your health cannot.

#406 3 years ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Good luck with your health. Some of the things that were said don't match up with what I was told about a-fib at all. Are you going to get a follow-up with a specialist? If there is one thing they hammer on about a-fib, its that it is not an immediate life-threatening condition. Yes it will cause increased odds of a stroke, yes it can go off and make you very uncomfortable, but it does not cause your heart to stop from what I understand. Also, I never heard mention of a pacemaker for a-fib. For other types of arrhythmias, yes a pacemaker might be common but it was never once mentioned to me to get a pacemaker.
The internet is nowhere to get medical advice of course But I know more about a-fib than most. Sudden onset, idiopathic persistent a-fib, cardioversions, anti-arrhythmia drugs, blood-thinning drugs, the heart rate monitor thingie that you wear, and finally, ablation surgery - I've lived through it all. The ablation did the trick and cured me, at least for 2 years so far.

I could almost write this post about myself word for word. I, too, never received any recommendation of a pacemaker. I had cardioversion (by shock) three different times, and with IV drugs another three. Ultimately, ablation was my cure as well.

My advice (for what it's worth) to the OP: Get a second opinion from a different EP specialist. Yes, it's possible you'll never have a-fib (atrial fibrulation) again, but if you do, something like ablation may start to become a more appropriate recommendation.

No matter what you do, I wish you good health, and I've been enjoying the heck out of your awesome pinball build!

Brad

#407 3 years ago

Ryan, I am so glad to hear that you are doing better. I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

Be careful that you don't spread that bad case of "flipper fever" that you have. Nurses, doctors, patients and visitors alike will all be flipping out in the hallways!!

#408 3 years ago

Scarry stuff. I'm really glad you are doing better and hope that the docs come to the conclusion that it was just a fluke or that the best treatment is pinball.

#409 3 years ago

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the support through your public and private messages. It really means a lot during this wacky time. Just goes to reinforce what an incredible group of folks we have in the pinball hobby. Not sure what else to say but THANK YOU.

In an attempt to steer this thread back to pinball, I did have a brief question about my most recent pinball-related update (the flipper rebuild). I actually had a couple of pieces left over from my left flipper rebuild kit:

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...a jesus clip and a ring of some sort. Not real sure where either of these are supposed to go. In case it helps, here they are beside the entire rebuild kit (right flipper rebuild kit is on the left side):

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What do you guys think? Do I have a disassembly ahead of me or are these superfluous parts?

#410 3 years ago

Glad you're okay (jumps back on topic). The spring washer (ring) goes at the front of the coil where the sleeve goes thru the front plate (between 4 and 5 in the diagram). It helps keep the coil straight.

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I don't believe Williams used these originally, but if it's part of the kit it would be best to install it.

The e-clip should go on the pawl arm to keep the plunger link in place.

#411 3 years ago

... and of course after I posted the drawing, I found a photo of an assembly.

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I hope this helps.

#412 3 years ago

You're not allowed to be ill until you announce the theme
Glad you're doing okay bud

#413 3 years ago

Just caught up on the thread. I'm glad to hear you're OK. Hopefully it's all pinball from here, but as others have said, your health comes first

-Andy

#414 3 years ago

Just caught up. Wow, glad you are doing ok. its a good thing you take care of yourself!

#415 3 years ago

Hey there, Swinger restore family.

Again, I can't thank you enough for your supportive words, here. Health updates are slow to arrive and boring when they do, but to make a long story short; I'm feeling fine. I've been on this monitor for almost a couple weeks now with another couple to go and I'll find out the results in mid-Nov.

In other news, I attended the Chicago Pinball Expo this past weekend with fellow friend and Pinsider, Tamoore. We and an incredible time. Also had the pleasure of connecting with one our own participants on this thread, zerbam. Really great to chat in person with ya, Z! I even managed to pick up a few parts for this project at the Pinball Life party. More on that later.

For now, it feels nice to start making some baby steps back into the restore.

Not sure if you recall a botched stand-up target reassembly from about...oh...two-hundred and something posts ago...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/williams-swinger-restoration-and-eventual-retheme/page/4#post-2641498

...but it looked like this:

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When attempting to replace the broken rivets, I purchased the smallest diameter screws I could find to replace them. However, they were just a little too wide and ended up pushing the plastic interior tubes through the bakelite. When I tried to muscle them back into place with a needle-nose pliers...well, you can see the result above.

I wasn't able to do much work while it was connected to the playfield, so I took a million pictures (to remember wire placement) and used my new-found ham-fisted soldering skills to bring it over to my work table.

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On closer inspection, the protruding side wasn't the only mushroomed portion of the tube:

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No wonder it wasn't slipping back into place.

Eventually, I pulled the whole switch apart in order to extract the plastic tubes:

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...and sanded down each of the mushroomed sides:

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Here they are reinstalled. Side A:

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...and Side B:

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Obviously side B is a bit rough, but the plastic tube does extend past the metal switch leaf, which I believe is all that really needs to happen.

At the end of the work session, I was essentially ready to reinstall...

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...but my new approach to this restore involves a bit more moderation than I was exercising before. Ha-ha! So I'll attempt to finish this minor task next time. See ya then.

#416 3 years ago

Heh-hey! So, 24 hours later I'm back in the basement and what do I see...

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...but my soldering iron still plugged in and hot.

Thankfully the house was not a smoldering pile of rubble when we returned home.

...and since the iron was hot, I went ahead and soldered things back into place. Silver linings.

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Oh, not sure I mentioned, but my wife has been a bit concerned about me handling lead solder, so I've obliged and started using these gloves she bought me.

Just out of curiosity, how worried should I be about touching this stuff? Safe as long as I wash my hands afterward? Is it a lot worse than that?

Anyhow, here's what my soldering job looked like:

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Surprisingly enough, the most difficult part of the whole ordeal was getting those screws through the bracket holes. It was that difficult to pass them through the plastic tubes, but for whatever reason that final half-centimeter really took some muscling. Anyhow, they came through and I got them nutted on the other side:

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Didn't really adjust switches after reassembly. They looked fine to me.

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Stand-up target is back in business!

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That's it for tonight.

One last thing, my wife has been working downstairs with me the past couple nights. She's painting a sign for our son's school. Nice to have her around as I'm poking around this project.

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#417 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Just out of curiosity, how worried should I be about touching this stuff? Safe as long as I wash my hands afterward? Is it a lot worse than that?

I'd say handling your cell phone is more dangerous than handling solder. If I was you, I'd be more worried about those plastic gloves melting if you got to close to the iron.

#418 3 years ago
Quoted from dmbjunky:

If I was you, I'd be more worried about those plastic gloves melting if you got to close to the iron.

Oh, c'mon, DMBJ...they're rubber, not plastic. A little heat will likely just shrink-wrap them to my hand.

#419 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Stand-up target is back in business!

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Wow! That really looks great. Sometimes those targets show some wear from the pinball hitting them so many times but I can't see any wear in your pic.

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Heh-hey! So, 24 hours later I'm back in the basement and what do I see...

[pic of soldering iron]

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

...but my soldering iron still plugged in and hot.

That's just one more "iron" to worry about when leaving your house!

Speaking of soldering irons, it's looks like you're becoming a pro with that iron.

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Just out of curiosity, how worried should I be about touching this stuff?

I don't worry about it at all, but I know some are concerned about the fumes more than skin contact. For as little soldering as you are doing, it shouldn't be a major concern. Here are some guidelines to look at and follow if you want:

https://www.cmu.edu/ehs/chemical/Lead%20Soldering%20Safety%20Guidelines.pdf

I, for one, am glad to see you posting your pinball restoration work here again. Welcome back!

#420 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Oh, c'mon, DMBJ...they're rubber, not plastic. A little heat will likely just shrink-wrap them to my hand.

Big difference.

#421 3 years ago

You could probably do without the gloves like dmbjunky suggests, but be persistent about washing your hands afterwards (for both any lead or rosin contact).

#422 3 years ago
Quoted from Pecos:

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Wow! That really looks great. Sometimes those targets show some wear from the pinball hitting them so many times but I can't see any wear in your pic.

!

It's amazing the condition that play-field is in! There doesn't seem to be any visible wear, and the colours are vivid.

#423 3 years ago

Oh, awesome!

Quoted from Pecos:

Speaking of soldering irons, it's looks like you're becoming a pro with that iron.

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Quoted from Pecos:

Welcome back!

Great to be back!

Does that mean flux?

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

It's amazing the condition that play-field is in! There doesn't seem to be any visible wear, and the colours are vivid.

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#424 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Does that mean flux?

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That would be a yes.

#425 3 years ago

Maybe a bit late, but glad you're allright!
Keep up the nice work.

#426 3 years ago

Good to know! Thanks, Gir!

BTW, this...

...helped a lot. I feel like I have a much better understanding of lead and rosin/flux risks than I did before. Thanks for the linkage, Pecos.

Quoted from Avatar:

Maybe a bit late, but glad you're allright!
Keep up the nice work.

Much appreciated, Avatar!

You guys rock!

#427 3 years ago

Not sure how much (if any) fixin' I'll get to this evening, but I was able to accomplish a bit of Swinger thread housekeeping. In an attempt to make this a more usable document to future EM neophytes, I went through the entire kit and caboodle here today and created a table of contents, which I edited onto my inaugural post. It looks something like this:

- -- ------ -- -

TABLE OF CONTENTS
- Introduction (Page 1)
Backbox Cleaning
- Plywood Delamination
- Score Reels (Page 1)
- Score Reel Stuck in Bracket (Page 1)
- Score Reel Circuit Board Super Lube Discussion (Page 1)
- Score Reel Switch Adjustment (Page 1)
- Match Unit (Page 1)
- Replay Unit (Page 2)
- Ball Count Unit (Page 2)
- Realigning Circuit Board on Stepper Unit (Page 2)
Cabinet Cleaning
- Bottom Board Mold Remediation (Page 2)
- Bottom Board Relay Label Recreation (Page 2)
Playfield Cleaning
- Playfield Disassembly (Page 2)
- Playfield Disassembly: Flipper Mech (Page 2)
- Playfield Disassembly: Pop Bumper and Ball Arch (Page 3)
- Playfield Disassembly: Apron (Page 3)
- Playfield Disassembly: Ball Trough (Page 3)
- Playfield Cleaning (Page 3)
- Metal Polishing (Page 3)
- Playfield Cleaning: Magic Eraser Results (Page 3)
- Playfield Cleaning: Posts (Page 4)
- Playfield Reassembly: Posts (Page 4)
- Playfield Reassembly: Stand-up Targets (Page 4)
- Playfield Reassembly: Switch Straightening (Page 4)
- Playfield Cleaning: Waxing (Page 5)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Plastics (Page 5)
- Playfield Reassembly: Rubbers (Page 5)
- Playfield Reassembly: Switch Adjustment (Page 5)
- Playfield Cleaning: Ball Arch (Page 5)
- Playfield Reassembly: Bulb Replacement (Page 6)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Lock-down Bar Receiver (Page 6)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Ball Trough (Page 6)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Apron (Page 6)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Ball Arch (Page 6)
- Playfield Reassembly: Pop Bumper (Page 6)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Advance Unit (Page 7)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Fiberglass Eraser Results on Spider Arm (Page 7)
- Playfield Cleaning: Pop Bumper Caps (Page 7)
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Advance Unit Spider Arm Correction (Page 7)
- Playfield Reassembly: Pop Bumpers (Page 7)
- Playfield Reassembly: Soldering Advice Followed (Page 8 )
- Playfield Reassembly: Pop Bumper Reassembly List (Page 8 )
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Shooter Rod (Page 8 )
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Flipper Mechs (Page 8 )
- Playfield Cleaning/Reassembly: Switch Stack Plastic Tubes (Page 9)

- -- ------ -- -

There are still tasks to complete in this restoration, so I plan to update as needed. Currently, the list is strictly in chronological order, despite there being a couple of actions performed out-of-order and some back-tracking required as I did so. I'm debating on whether or not to re-sequence those parts to be in correct order. I guess my concern would be that it would potentially get confusing if you started reading on post #264 and the subsequent action was on post #235 (or something like that...just pulling post numbers out of thin air).

I'm open to feedback.

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#428 3 years ago

So, I dunno if you guys remember, but the last work sesh before Heart-Fluke 2015 happened, I had just completed the left flipper rebuild...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/williams-swinger-restoration-and-eventual-retheme/page/8#post-2716326

...but the pawl was about a mile and a half away from making contact with the EOS switch when fully actuated.

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Thanks to some advice from Davideokills...

Quoted from davideokills:

...you can try loosening the screws that hold the EOS switch to the playfield and see if you can twist the switch closer to the rest of the flipper mechanism.

...last night I got a LOT closer to making things right (actual contact, but hardly any separation):

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With some minor switch adjustment, I was able to get the gap I needed. Here is the flipper at rest:

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...and fully flipped:

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Pretty sure that's about the gap I'm looking for. But you guys know, I'm here to be educated.

As you may also recall...

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

I actually had a couple of pieces left over from my left flipper rebuild kit, a jesus clip and a ring of some sort.

This time, thanks to Girloveswaffles, I knew...

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

The spring washer (ring) goes at the front of the coil where the sleeve goes thru the front plate.

...and...

Quoted from girloveswaffles:

The e-clip should go on the pawl arm to keep the plunger link in place.

So, here's before:

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...and after the ring was installed:

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The jesus clip, on the other hand, seemed to be superfluous. I mean, there is a clippy thing already on the pawl arm:

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So, I'm not certain I need to put it on there(?). Advice?

Another piece I picked up at Pinball Life were a couple of discounted flipper bats for a buck a piece:

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I'm not sure this will be the color of flipper bat I'll go with eventually, but they don't make my eyes scream as much as those blue ones I put on before. I replaced the left bat I already had installed and when I finish the right flipper mech install, naturally, I'll install the second one there.

Speaking of which, I got as far as installing the right side bushing before calling quits for the night.

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Next time, right-flipper rebuild.

#429 3 years ago

Your spring washer is installed incorrectly. It goes under the plate that the coil sleeve travels through and not on top of same.

#430 3 years ago

I did some more stuff.

Last time around, I was told:

Quoted from bingopodcast:

Your spring washer is installed incorrectly. It goes under the plate that the coil sleeve travels through and not on top of same.

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So I corrected that on the left flipper:

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Quick aside, these "spring washers," are they supposed to be a little warped?

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Because both of mine in both flipper rebuild kits looked like this:

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I guess it doesn't matter too much, as they're somewhat flexible and tend to compress when put under pressure from the bracket. Still, this is my first time experiencing a lot of this stuff and I'm curious why neither was flat. (These are pretty rigid, not just floppy.)

Also of minor note was my right flipper coil sleeve (below left). Woof! That thing was DIR-TEE!!! New one on the right, obvs!

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Just for poops and giggles, I tried cleaning it with some alcohol (not that I planned on keeping it, just curious).

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A TINY bit of the nylon started to show through, but man, this sleeve was pretty well toast. The odd thing is that the inside of the coil (after the sleeve was extracted) was remarkably clean!

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#431 3 years ago

Also in the same work sesh, I managed to get the right flipper mech back into place as well. Along those lines, here's another question; I did not install the included jesus clip on the left flipper pawl, as I had a paper-clippy-lookin' thing already in its place:

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...however, I figured I'd try the supplied jesus clip from the flipper rebuild kit this go-round and see if it functioned any differently. Well, it pretty much feels the same, but I'm not certain this e-clip is supposed to fit here:

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You can see the original size from the one in my hand (above right) and that same size jesus clip stretched to its limits on the pawl. So...what do you guys think? Should I just leave it? Replace it with the glorified paper-clip that was on the original pawl (which is still in fine condition)?

Finally, everything was screwed and soldered back into place by the end of the night:

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The EOS switch was even gapped (appropriately???) when flipper was actuated.

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I really like how the white flippers fit with the color scheme. Glad I ran across these in Terry's discount bin at Pinball Life last week.

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Another look at those vibrant colors for Gir, Pecos, myself, and all the others on this thread lamenting the inevitable.

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And now it's my pleasure to present you with a fully repopulated playfield!

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#432 3 years ago

Spring washers are fairly rigid and yes should be a bit 'warped'. They absorb the impact of the plunger/pawl assembly and keep it from turning your coil stop into powder.

Used on flippers and other high-impact coils (replay registers on bingos, etc etc etc)

#433 3 years ago

I can't believe you are going to sand that playfield down. It is soooo nice for a Swinger. Mine has a million more plays on it than yours, and looks like it.

#434 3 years ago
Quoted from bingopodcast:

Spring washers are fairly rigid and yes should be a bit 'warped'. They absorb the impact of the plunger/pawl assembly and keep it from turning your coil stop into powder.

Interesting! Thanks, Nick.

Quoted from bingopodcast:

Used on flippers and other high-impact coils (replay registers on bingos, etc etc etc)

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Quoted from FrankJ:

I can't believe you are going to sand that playfield down. It is soooo nice for a Swinger. Mine has a million more plays on it than yours, and looks like it.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/williams-swinger-restoration-and-eventual-retheme/page/4#post-2640349

#436 3 years ago

ATTN: EM Purists...please avert your gaze.

Last night I attached some SHINY NEW LEGS to ole' Swingy! Yes, I'm fully aware they are WPC style legs with the rib going down each side. Thank you for noticing. Nevertheless, based on price and shininess (and the fact that no one except those of us deepest down this pinball rabbit hole will ever know the difference), I'm pretty darn excited. This is my first ever purchase of new legs and I think these will look great once the cabinet is sanded down, repainted, and looking immaculate. Anyhow, here's what the existing legs-from-the-barn looked like:

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Rusty inside and out:

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More:

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Next, same side (left front) as above image, only with a grand new leg attached:

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Rusty ole' barn leg:

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Lovely new leg-levelers and all:

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Crusty hand-me-down bolts:

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All-new glory:

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#437 3 years ago

And here she be:

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A needed upgrade from what I've been working with:

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If you look closely, you might notice a particular color of cabinet protectors:

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...which could maybe-might-possibly-by-chance be the slightest of hints as to what this re-theme may be (assuming you believe I'm confident enough to purchase a particular color of new cabinet protectors for this project )

[No further questions about possible theme choice will be entertained at this time.]

Now I have a pile of crappy legs. Not sure what I'll do with these yet.

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And a shiny bottom couple feet of my game.

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#438 3 years ago

Surprising how shiny new legs make such a difference to the overall curb appeal of a pin. I'm having a great time following this thread, nice work!

Question, are you planning on sanding this down for the retheme with hand tools or similar or some other method?

#439 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

I'm not certain this e-clip is supposed to fit here:

Those e clips that come in the kits are usually the wrong ones (too small) so I always use the old clip if there isn't the correct one in the kit.

Using the incorrect flipper bats as you have done (should be a two piece with a notch on the shaft) may make it very hard to remove later without cutting them out. Older style bats use set screws on the pawl that dig in (thus the notch). Newer bats like you used are clamped in place on more modern machines.

#440 3 years ago

I bet if you gave those old legs a bath in evaporust overnight they would look fine.

#441 3 years ago
Quoted from brandsilence:

Surprising how shiny new legs make such a difference to the overall curb appeal of a pin.

A-men!

Quoted from brandsilence:

I'm having a great time following this thread, nice work!

Thanks for the kind words, brandsilence!

Quoted from brandsilence:

Question, are you planning on sanding this down for the retheme with hand tools or similar or some other method?

I've got a hand-held orbital sander. Same one I used to sand down the bottom board:

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I'll probably use that. (Pardon the sub-par pix. They're all I could find without making the arduous trek out to my garage to snap a new one.)

Quoted from o-din:

Those e clips that come in the kits are usually the wrong ones (too small) so I always use the old clip if there isn't the correct one in the kit.

Awesome! Thanks, O-din! That was certainly the case with my kit.

Quoted from o-din:

Using the incorrect flipper bats as you have done (should be a two piece with a notch on the shaft) may make it very hard to remove later without cutting them out. Older style bats use set screws on the pawl that dig in (thus the notch). Newer bats like you used are clamped in place on more modern machines.

Huh! Good to know, and thanks for the education. Before installing these white flippers, I clamped a different bat in place (a blue one):

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I was able to extract the blue one with relative ease and it did not have the notch in the shaft...but maybe it becomes more difficult with additional use(?). Also, I'm a little confused when you said the flipper...

Quoted from o-din:

...should be a two piece.

Don't all flipper bats and shafts come as a single piece? Honest question here. Thanks again for letting me know about the different flipper types.

Quoted from dasvis:

I bet if you gave those old legs a bath in evaporust overnight they would look fine.

You might be right, but I'm guessing with the PVC tubes, the evaporust, and the time it would take me to do it, I'd have at least $40 into it (which is what I paid for my perfect new legs at the Pinball Life party...show special), plus I doubt they'd be as pristine as these new ones. For me, it was worth it to save some time and headache. Perhaps if I continue attempting additional restores like this in the future, I may look into it. Thanks for the reminder, though, dasvis.

As usual, thanks for your encouragement and education, guys!

#442 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

, but I'm guessing with the PVC tubes, the evaporust, and the time it would take me to do it, I'd have at least $40 into it (which is what I paid for my perfect new legs at the Pinball Life party...show special), plus I doubt they'd be as pristine as these new ones. For me, it was worth it to save some time and headache. Perhaps if I continue attempting additional restores like this in the future, I may look into it. Thanks for the reminder, though, dasvis.
As usual, thanks for your encouragement and education, guys!

True that. Save the old ones though, you never know when you might need them for another project.

#443 3 years ago

Everything you didn't want to know or care to know about the Williams brass two-piece flippers:

o-din is correct. Williams flippers of that era were two pieces, the plasic bat and the brass shoe and shaft. One screw (!) was used to hold the bat onto the shoe which is somewhat surprising considering the beating the flippers get.

This is one of the flipper assemblies from my OXO:

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For those of you clever enough to count past two, and I am assuming that is most of you over the age of two, you will notice that there are three pieces in the picture, a bat, a shoe and a shaft. If you look closely at the shoe, will will see three marks on the round part on the left side. That is, apparently, where the spot welding was done to attach the shoe to the shaft. This example is broken at those joints and why I needed a new shoe and shaft assembly.

If you look even closer, you will see the groove or notch as o-din calls it on the bottom of the shaft. That groove is there so that the small mound of brass around the screw hole doesn't make contact with the flipper pawl. Think of the mound as the ring of dirt around a prairie dog hole - that metal has to go somewhere when the screws are turned and sunk into the shaft. This is why a one piece flipper assembly without a groove can be hard to remove later, just like o-din said.

This is the exact replacement at Bay Area Amusements but they have been out of stock for months:
Flipper Shoe & Shaft A-7087 Brass 3 Inch - for use with Williams 3 Inch Flipper Bats 38-7253, 03-7253
http://bayareaamusements.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FB-A7087B

You can sometimes find these brass shoe and shaft pieces on eBay but, because they are most likely used, the soft brass will have an indentation where the screws were originally placed. So you are stuck with the flipper angle "as it was." There is a trick, if it hasn't been done already; you can swap the "right" and "left" flippers and find some fresh brass to screw into.

There is a better solution. I got a pair of these at Marco and, so far, they seem to be working fine:

Flipper bat - 3 in Williams logo white
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/03-7253

Flipper shoe & shaft Williams 3 inch
http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-7087

The latter is exactly like the brass shoe and shaft but made out of a different kind of metal. I did notice when screwing the bat onto the shoe and shaft that the holes didn't seem to align perfectly, but that might have just been me. The holes were close enough to work.

One more thing. Older white bats can yellow over time. When replacing one plastic bat, you might as well order two so the white is the exact same color on both.

#444 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

You might be right, but I'm guessing with the PVC tubes, the evaporust, and the time it would take me to do it, I'd have at least $40 into it (which is what I paid for my perfect new legs at the Pinball Life party...show special), plus I doubt they'd be as pristine as these new ones. For me, it was worth it to save some time and headache. Perhaps if I continue attempting additional restores like this in the future, I may look into it. Thanks for the reminder, though, dasvis.

Pinballlife gave me this idea for a bar stool where you use the old legs off a pinball machine. I may try it.

#445 3 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Save the old ones though, you never know when you might need them for another project.

Done! ...this is a dark and winding path we take.

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"This is my workroom!"

Quoted from Pecos:Everything you didn't want to know or care to know about the Williams brass two-piece flippers:

If I could multi-upvote, I would. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge, Pecos!

Quoted from dmbjunky:

Pinballlife gave me this idea for a bar stool where you use the old legs off a pinball machine.

#446 3 years ago

This evening I pulled out the bottom board because,

A) I dropped a screw from the left flipper mech and could not find it for the life of me
B) I need to install a new power cord

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After some gentle shaking, not only did I find that tiny black screw I was looking for, but also...

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...the elusive metal post I mentioned two months ago!

Proof: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/williams-swinger-restoration-and-eventual-retheme/page/4#post-2639824

I also started to prep for installing a new power cord. Before I threw the old one out, I was curious about how hacked-up this thing was (everything else in this pin has been).

So the investigation went kinda like this...

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...then this...

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...then a little of this...

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...then, GUH!!!

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#447 3 years ago

Alright, now that the old cord is out of the way, here's the part I could use some help with. This is what the original power cord looked like inside the cab:

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When the plastic caps came off, I was left with these copper coil/cone thingies (which I don't believe I need for reassembly):

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So I stripped the ends of my new 3-prong power cord:

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This is the part I run into a problem. Where do all these wires go?

I believe the green from the cord (ground) will be soldered to the green in the cab (see below pic), but I'm not sure which black wire I should attach to the yellow (below left), and which I should attach to the brown (snaking away below right):

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Neither one of the wires in the cord has any alternate color indication as to what it is. They're both just wrapped in black.

Also, neither one of the prongs are any longer/shorter/wider to indicate neutral or hot:

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Here it is from a different angle...

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...and another one:

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So, does anyone have some suggestions about how to appropriately wire this thing up?

#448 3 years ago
Quoted from RyanClaytor:

When the plastic caps came off, I was left with these copper coil/cone thingies (which I don't believe I need for reassembly):

Those should have stayed inside the plastic caps. You don't need them.

Quoted from RyanClaytor:

Neither one of the wires in the cord has any alternate color indication as to what it is. They're both just wrapped in black.

Is one copper wire and the other silver?

#449 3 years ago

When I replugged my Super Straight, I had a three color replacement that went green to green, white to yellow and black to brown. Don't know if that helps, your results may differ.

#450 3 years ago

So, the thing to remember is that the left prong is neutral. Regardless of width of prong. The right prong is hot. follow the wire down on the right-hand side. This is hot. It should be attached to the brown wire.

Neutral is on the left and should be attached to the yellow wire.

Ground = green and should be soldered there.

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