(Topic ID: 201246)

Williams Pennant Fever REPAIR QUESTIONS

By johnrezz

6 years ago


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#1 6 years ago

I will start this post with the "I know, I know" statement. Pennant fever is that annoying System 8 game to stay away from. That being said. I bought one.... I know nothing about pinball machines but I am an EE with 20 years of communications electronics behind me so I thought, why the heck not... turns out to be a really fun project and I love the fact that everything is traceable and repairable, like the good old days. And this was absolutely my favorite game as a kid!!!

So
I have re-capped and replaced a bad Zenor on the power supply. and now have the game functioning at about 80%.

Next in line:

Lighting issues:
this will all be solved by replacing the molex connectors on the power supply, voltages are all good to go.

Q: what molex do I use here? and how is the best way to source them, has anyone found a bulk kit they like (i have the tools all ready)

Magnet coil:
This does not work. The relay is firing but no magnet. I have not dug into this yet..

Bat Coil and rheostat (or lack there of):
he bat works fine but it has been hacked. I will include a pic later. It appears the rheostat that controled the bat power burned up (it was fixed by removing the entire assembly and placing a sticker over the burn that reads "engineering" haha)

Q: I want to restore the bat to stock with the rheostat assembly in line. Does anyone have information on parts or wiring for this? Or even better, have the bat adjustment assembly as a spare part for sale?

Coin lock out:
The coin system does not work. In the coil test, nothing happens for the coin lockout (#4 SM-35-4000-DC) so I assume this is the issue...

Q: is there a good tutorial on basic coin door operations and repair? I assume they are all basically the same, I have zero experience and could use some basic education....

we will see what comes next after all of this.... Probably LED conversion... but I want to get it back to 100% before doing any of that..

Thanks,

John

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#2 6 years ago

I found this funny, so it lit on fire, we cut the parts out but hey, its Okay!!! I put an orange engineering sticker over it Nothing to see here!!!

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#3 6 years ago

I have a working Pennant Fever and if I can assist you in any way, I will. I guess I was lucky on my machine when I got it working again over 10 years ago. Most of the issues were mechanical, cabinet, fuses and of course the light connectors. I did replace the connectors for the lights and that has helped tremendously, if you still need a source, let me know and I will look through my files for the company. My bat assembly was mechanically a mess and I was able to outsource many of the parts and was able to fix it. As far as the rheostat, I think they are still available if you search the internet. Anyway, let me know if you need any photos, part numbers, etc.

#4 6 years ago
Quoted from SDOHIO67:

I have a working Pennant Fever and if I can assist you in any way, I will. I guess I was lucky on my machine when I got it working again over 10 years ago. Most of the issues were mechanical, cabinet, fuses and of course the light connectors. I did replace the connectors for the lights and that has helped tremendously, if you still need a source, let me know and I will look through my files for the company. My bat assembly was mechanically a mess and I was able to outsource many of the parts and was able to fix it. As far as the rheostat, I think they are still available if you search the internet. Anyway, let me know if you need any photos, part numbers, etc.

Thanks and good to meet you... I did purchased a Rheostat online and simply welded up a steel bracket for it. My wife is going to make me a decal so it looks proper... I have done a full LED swap and changed out several of the connectors that were toast... I was lucky and found a NOS playfield. it is almost perfect. The age has caused some cracking on the clear so I am going to take the time to re-clear before I put it in....

The one issue I am having is the pitching... it is all over the place... I have not looked into it yet since I knew I was going to tear it down to replace the playfield... I may have some questions for you when that comes around.....

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#5 6 years ago

In regard to the pitching: I am trying to diagnose the speed of the pitches and if they can be changed or is something wrong. I started researching this light after I just completed an old EM Williams pitch and bat and the velocity of the pitches are significant compared to those of my Pennant Fever.

My fast and slow speeds are almost identical with the velocity and the only major difference is the fast pitch does go all over the place while the change up is pretty accurate. I know the alignment of the ball holders is very important and I found that out on the EM machine. Note: Even with that game, the fast pitch is not as accurate but not to the extreme as the Pennant Fever.

Question for you? Are the velocities of your pitches noticeable in regard to your fast ball vs change up?

I will keep you posted on what I find out as I try to fine tune the pitching mechanism.

#6 6 years ago

My changeup is significantly slower than the fastball and as you stated pretty much right down the middle everytime....
The fastball is not consistent in speed or direction and the curve is totally random...

Since I will be tearing this down to replace the playfield I am waiting to troubleshoot....

Here is my theory.. It has to be in the switches. it looks like the changeup applies a break (like a caliper) to slow the pitch. My guess is that by cleaning and adjusting the leaf switches that control this will help. I think the break sticks or stays on at times... For the curve, if it comes out fast it works but if the ball comes out slow (stuck break or switch) it will get tossed to the side by the magnet field because it is traveling too slowly and has more time to react....

The rest of it is pure adjustments.... I will stay in contact with you as well...

John

#7 6 years ago

John,

I have a question on your pitching mechanics? When reviewing the operation of my pitch motor unit, I noticed the change up armature when released has no resistance to it and freely spins. When manually checking yours, does it give you resistance when moving it? I did find around 1/16" play in the entire assembly attached to the main shaft. When I manually push the system to the left, the change up armature gives me some resistance and this may slow the pitch down? It appears my fast ball is working and it is the change up armature that is not slowing it down. You mentioned a break but I am unable to locate anything like that.

Would it be possible to get a few complete photos of your motor assembly including wiring to the switches to match against mine?

See my attached photos for details on my questions.

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#8 6 years ago

We are soooooo on the same troubleshooting path.....

I decided to work on my PF pitching and bat yesterday and are seeing exactly the same thing you see... I added a washer to the sahft under the codder pin "where you ref 1/16 play" to remove most of the slop you were talking about.. My goal was to get a consistent position for the arm as it rotates through.

This definitely helped... The pitches are more consistent, but not perfect at all... There is no break, I have know idea where the heck I got that image from, ignore!!! Mine is like yours the coil pulls the pin out and that arm swings around... I def have a difference a speed from changeup to fastball but I am not sure if the FB is fast enough also causing crazy curves... Do you get crazy curves that throw the ball around the bat?

I also cleaned and aligned the contacts on the leaf switches, added a new bat coil (not related to pitching) and oiled the mechs.... I think the .016 metal flap is misdirecting the ball.. I have sanded it the best I can but will replace it with new once I replace the playfield...

I will take some videos and post them to You Tube since I believe you and I are the only ones on the planet trying to work on one of these unique pigs...

the other thought I had was adding a spoon to the end of the pitching arm, i don't see how it can ever be consistent with just the bar..

Sent you a private message....

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#9 3 years ago

Hey guys, I have this same machine and absolutely no electrical or pinball knowledge. I had the system 8 power supply board rebuilt a couple years ago and it has been an awesome game. However, it recently stopped working. It turns on and lights up with bottom switch, but won't start with orange start button on front left of machine (which isn't lit anymore) johnrezz SDOHIO67

8 months later
#10 2 years ago

steve8285 did you ever resolve this issue?
Our #PF #pennant fever was working and then just stopped.
I am not getting power to the start button or the control panel. (The quarter inserts light though)
I see a wire disconnected but I am not sure where it goes/came from (purple/wht). I stripped it a tiny bit, but am not sure where it is supposed to land. Anyone know? johnrezz SDOHIO67

2nd Q, the Red and green/yellow were they supposed to be together and the solder came off? Is this the quarter bypass?
Thank you for any assistance!

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#12 2 years ago

Hey, I did figure it out. Kinda. I used the auto up and advance buttons to set the game for free play. function 18 to 0. However, everytime I shut the game off, when turned back on it comes up in bookkeeping mode. I don't know how to have it start up in game mode. So everytime I fire it up, I have to go back and set it for free play. I need to figure out how to save the settings. Batteries?

#13 2 years ago

Either NVRAM or remote batteries.

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#14 2 years ago

Looks like batteries were removed. How do I check NVRAM?

#15 2 years ago

O>K> I'm an idiot. Whilst searching for NVRAM, I noticed 2 wires going from batterys spot on board to a plastic container attached to side of cabinet. Inside were 3 leaking AA batteries. I cleaned up contacts and put in 3 new batteries & WaLa! My game now starts in Game Mode again, and saves all my settings.
ThANks Chris!

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