game will play and finish 5 balls and light up "game over", but still spits out a ball to play?? thinking something with the ball count unit, but not totally sure?

searched but didn't find anything that looked like what i wanted?

yes. anytime a game is finished and last balls drains

thank you everyone. great info to start with. will try and get to it and dig in this weekend and report back!

got into this and yes; the game over trip IS energizing thus lighting up the game over light. all the other contacts on that relay seem to be making contact and wiping the other switch when the trip engages. gave them a quick burnish but had no luck; after ball 5 is drained and game over lights up, it still kicks out a ball and you can continue playing, scoring, and flippering

checked this; gap is plenty sufficient

traced this down and as all switches on the game over relay appeared to be in working order; i blocked this switch that you called out, with a piece of paper to ensure the circuit was blocked no matter what state of play. hit the credit button and start a new game and it still plays, scores, and flippers. how is this possible with that switch blocked with paper?

interesting update here. with ball 5 drained and game over illuminated, game still spits out a ball to play and you can score and use flippers. if i turn the cabinet switch off underneith and turn it back on, all lights (playfield and head) are off but the flippers and playfield switches/targets are still active, even with all lights off....somehow it seeems anytime the cabinet switch is on, the playfield is live (sometimes with lights, sometimes without).

blocked those 2 switches with paper, as well as the game over "A" and game still plays and scores. guessing there's a jump somewhere in this game that someone put in aftermarket in order to keep the playfield live at all times, and continue scoring, flipper action, and outhole operation?

another discovery here, not sure if it's tied to never ending balls once game is over. the tilt switches don't work, they just trigger the tilt relay when they switch is closed, but as soon as the contacts open, the tilt relay releases. so i can bang the pendulum and as it "smack smack smack's" the outter ring as it sways, that will tap tap tap the tilt relay. same with the playfield tilt switch, i can close those with my finger and it holds the tilt relay, as soon as i let go and the contacts open, the relay lets go. the coin door slam switch has the wires broken off; i assumed that wouldn't be an issue as it's just preventing the circuit from being closed thus engaging the tilt relay? maybe this will help progress the fix to this game, not sure?

no. it will turn on and have "game over" lit up, showing no balls in play. but you can still shoot and score

checked everything that was suggested here. cant figure it out. im out of options and gave up and am selling the game

made some more progress. seems the problem is the AB switch or relay. there's 2 coils on it, one of which is a trip. the NON trip coil is trying to energize and pull in but it's not quite making it all the way. when i do it with my finger it locks in and score motor stops spinning and game starts. my thoughts are what energizes this coil, because im guessing it's dirty contacts or a bad connection thus not enabling the coil to get enough juice to completely pull the switches in

got carried away and posted in wrong group. i fixed it. sorry. one thing i've found out here was anytime the cabinet switch it turned on, BEFORE HITTING THE CREDIT BUTTON and all lights are still off, it energizes the game over trip coil, and the center bumper relay coil. thinking that's somehow part of my issue with the playfield always live and always spitting out balls.

the black wires coming up look like they've been tampered with and soldered too. is this normal? the un-insulated wire runs down the whole bank of relays and has a red and a white wires feeding on the "on yellow" relay, but then these 2 blacks jump in out of the harness and into the center bumper relay
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the black wires coming up look like they've been tampered with and soldered too. is this normal? the un-insulated wire runs down the whole bank of relays and has a red and a white wires feeding on the "on yellow" relay, but then these 2 blacks jump in out of the harness and into the center bumper relay

damn. guess it is normal. your doesn't energize that coil when you flip the cabinet switch on though, does it?

GAME IS FIXED!! after looking at jaydee's photo he posted in comparison to mine, i saw he didn't have a non insulated wire to the left of the center bumper relay, mine did. removed that to the relay to the left of the center bumper relay and boom, game plays perfect and KEEPS ball 5 after it's drained and kills the playfield targets!