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Williams old graphite ring bumper system


By DCRand

46 days ago



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    #1 46 days ago

    Refurbed and sold a 1952 Twenty Grand. The bumpers have a graphite ring / spike system for scoring. Rather than the typical spike in spoon system of modern games. The buyer is having a small problem with the spike / ring getting out of alignment on a couple bumpers. Is this typical and just essentially a result of a bad design, which was abandoned for pretty much this reason. Is there something that can be done to keep these in alignment better? Or is it better just to replace them all with the modern style? There are 8 of these on the game. Two pop, and six dead bumpers.

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    #2 46 days ago

    Those are tough to align and often the graphite ring or the pin has seen better days. Replacements are down to used parts that may not be much better.

    Although I managed to keep the ones I had working, it is down to upgrading to the newer style if you want it to be more trouble free.

    #3 45 days ago

    On a Paratrooper I restored several years ago, I converted it over to the modern parts.

    #4 45 days ago

    Modern parts being what they started using in the 1950s. lol.

    #5 45 days ago

    Graphite is pourus and soft... and provides it's own lube. I'd say there is defiantly value in moving to modern parts.
    That said; I don't have any experience with EMs much less of this era.

    #6 45 days ago

    What would happen is the wire post sticking down from the bumper skirt will get loose and it and the graphite ring will get burnt in spots especially if the skirt sticks. It is a tiny ring hanging by a wire screwed onto the bottom of the playfield with a wire soldered right onto it. And another wire soldered to the skirt pin.

    It was basically a prototype of the modern unit and could work for decades, but since there are no replacements available, you gotta do what you gotta do.

    #7 45 days ago

    Thanks for the advice. Had a replacement ring for one of them and used it. The spike was shot. So on the advice of Steve Young, used a small nail and that worked well. But another is now out of alignment, so can see that converting may be the only answer.

    #8 45 days ago

    One other option if the skirt pin is still good is to remove the graphite ring altogether, which sometimes happens on it's own, and bend the remaining metal ring a little smaller. I've done that on a few and am yet to actually upgrade any to the newer system.

    As far as the conversion, it would probably just take a new skirt and switch assembly and spoon.

    #9 45 days ago

    That might be a good idea. W home use the copper would probably last quite a while.

    Thanks

    #10 44 days ago

    I wrote this up in Gameroom Magazine ages ago but you can replace the graphite donuts with a brass ring. Here's the thumbnail summary:
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    I drilled out some brass knurled nuts and soldered them in to the steel wire holder in place of the graphine donuts. The brass is still softer than the steel post so it shouldn't wear it down. It worked like a champ while I had the game anyway. You could probably make something out of brass sheet stock too. It wouldn't snap into place like the knurled nuts, but it should work just fine once soldered in.

    /Mark

    #11 42 days ago

    Nice, great idea.

    #12 42 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    One other option if the skirt pin is still good is to remove the graphite ring altogether, which sometimes happens on it's own, and bend the remaining metal ring a little smaller. I've done that on a few and am yet to actually upgrade any to the newer system.

    This is what I’ve done. Works just fine.

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