http://pinside.com/pinball/archive/williams
http://pinside.com/pinball/archive/bally

you'll have to do your own combining or look elsewhere

I came across a list a while back. One exists but I lost it. I'll look again today.

The Williams list shows 8 other games being made between Black Knight and Jungle Lord... and Cyclone before Solar Fire... That's one messed up chronolgy!

That's a pretty good list. I'll give ya $5 for them all.

I think HS2 marks the start of pinball's "sweet spot", if you will...

I think there was more than one 'sweet spot' in pinball's history. For me, it was 1979-1980 (Flash, Gorgar, Firepower, Flight 2000, Black Knight, Paragon, Space Invaders, Xenon, etc.)

+1!

I'll probably get toasted for this but I think whirlwind and funhouse represent Williams as thier best efforts in pinball.......IMO

Excellent effort by the way Soren!!! Now where's that Bally one?

Hmm. Didn't notice that there's no world cup.. Looks like I can only offer you $3 for that lot now.

let me rephrase, that marks the beginning of what I consider to be their sweet spot. Ya, i like whirlwind & funhouse too & other games before that.

starting with hs2, the next eight pins on that list are all keepers... that's an awesome stretch.

I think each game has a different feel, everybody seems to like differnt pins. I used to really like the older machines but right now I have a few i am getting bored with

I love whirlwind. In fact, some of the pinsider owners near me have been rudely asked to sell their's to me! Back in the day, my local arcade had Whirlwind and Funhouse sitting right next to each other. Those were the days!

very nicely done

Great list. Mostly I like this because it really goes to show that Williams/Bally, even being the greatest, still made plenty of clunkers (and through their golden years too ).

Stern bashers look at this list and tell me that Stern isn't at least close to the same good game to bad game ratio now that Williams had during this period.

Even their "clunkers" were still built like a tank compared to the build quality of Stern's.

From 1995-1998 Bally/Williams put out some great pins. In just those 3 years they put out more good titles then Stern ever has & i'm not even going back to the early 90's when they really started to kick ass.

Give me a list of Stern's that can hang with some of these all time greats.

I can't disagree with you smassa... apart from just on one point... NBA Fastbreak an 'all time great'...?

sports bar great? That and World cup is all you would see at bars back then.

How was I able to get into bars in my graduating year?

Road Kings, Millionaire, Fire, Big Guns, Ramp Warrior, TruckStop, Atlantis, Bad Cats, Bally Game Show, Pool Sharks, Riverboat Gambler, Bugs Birthday Ball, Harley-Davidson, Slugfest, Gilligan's Island, Hurricane are at the very least "questionable" outputs.

I think that we all believe that Williams/Bally were the greatest overall pinball manufacturer in history, all things considered (unless you're an EM guy, then its probably Gottlieb). I just think that everyone is quick to jump on Stern with undue hate sometimes and everytime they release a dud like TRS, its an uproar. Mighty Williams was just as guilty of this. They made tons of classics, but there are also plenty of lame ducks there too. That's not a dig on them or you, just a statement. Stern does make fun games still, even if they are a little "cheaper".

I was gonna put a note in there that the only real dogs I saw in that era were JY, NBAFB, and borderline CP.

If Stern ever has a run where they put out 12 and only 3 end up being lame I think we would all be shocked. Still glad they are around but I think we all agree they can do better.

We have seen games from each decade get better n better but since B/W's shut their doors we really haven't seen anything new or ground breaking? Let's hope JJP brings it hardcore!!

Anyone wanna buy a pimped out 07' HUO SM with all the mods you can think of??? Lol

Well maybe I don't hate Stern THAT much. (;

My thoughts exactly... I have high hopes, and for some reason get the feeling the 'quality' of the game will be back to the B/W standards... maybe it's 'cos their first pin's a widebody, and all I can imagine is B/W in this format... Then there's the topper... interactive even! I don't recall any Stern with a topper... it smells of attention to detail, of what pinballers want... so I'm very interested to see how it turns out! the main thing that concerns me is how the LCD display will work... it could kill it for me, or it could blow it into another league all by itself!!

I thought Space Shuttle put Williams back on the map? Is there no love for it?

Hi mate - at this link you can see brand new price - https://cointaker.com/products/bride-of-pinbot-20-upgrade-kit

Does it have everything here? It looks like from what I can find it has a DMD screen and the following.

***
The upgrade kit will include:

Dutch Pinball software
Mini-PC
P-ROC controller board
New speaker panel
Color Display
High fidelity speaker set
2.1 Amplifier
Cables & miscellaneous

*

My estimate using USPS or UPS or DHL to ship to me would be around $80 - $120 from previous pinball shipments.

For the pack itself, would somewhere close to what you paid be ok?

Looks like it was $1995 new - if it was stored properly and complete, I could look at paying that much to secure it, mainly cause it's hard to find still.

What do you think is fair? I buy a few things on Pinside marketplace, it's a great resource. Grabbed a shooter rod mod for my POTC JJP last week. Love the community.

I apologize for not having replied right away - I was sleeping. But will check in through the day here. And can of course, pay quickly if we go ahead so you can edit the add accordingly for the machine by itself.

Alex Moss
+61 0410 189 149

Wrong number mate

Williams Pinball Machine List
1944-11 Zingo

1945-01 Flat-Top

1945-11 Laura

1946-02 Suspense

1946-08 Dynamite

1946-12 Show Girl

1946-12 Smarty

1947-01 Amber

1947-04 Cyclone

1947-04 Tornado

1947-05 All Stars

1947-06 Torchy

1947-07 Flamingo

1947-10 Ginger

1947-11 Bonanza

1947-12 Box Score

1947-12 Sunny

1948* New Orlean's

1948-01 Stormy

1948-02 Tennessee

1948-03 Virginia

1948-04 Yanks

1948-06 Dew-Wa-Ditty

1948-08 Gizmo

1948-09 Rainbow

1948-09 Speed Way

1948-10 Saratoga

1948-11 El Paso

1949-01 Phoenix

1949-01 Star Series

1949-01 Tucson

1949-02 Dallas

1949-02 St. Louis

1949-04 Maryland

1949-05 Boston

1949-09 Freshie

1949-10 All-American Quarterback

1949-11 De-Icer

1950-02 Dreamy

1950-05 Lucky Inning

1950-05 Sweetheart

1950-07 Georgia

1950-09 Pinky

1950-10 Rag Mop

1950-11 Nifty

1951* Jalopy (Prototype)

1951* SSE

1951-02 Shoo Shoo

1951-03 Control Tower

1951-04 Super World Series

1951-05 Harvey

1951-06 Hayburners

1951-06 Snooks

1951-07 Nags

1951-08 Jalopy

1951-09 Spark Plugs

1951-10* Daffy Derby

1951-10* Hoss-Feathers

1951-11 Arcade

1951-11 Sea Jockeys

1951-11 Shoot the Moon

1951-12 Horse Shoes

1952 Deluxe World Series

1952-01 Horsefeathers

1952-02 "8 Ball"

1952-02 Sportsman

1952-02 Sweepstakes

1952-03 Slugfest

1952-04 Majorettes (No. 1)

1952-04* Majorettes (No. 2)

1952-05 Domino

1952-05 Olympics

1952-06 Caravan

1952-06 Handicap

1952-07 Long Beach

1952-08 Paratrooper

1952-09 Hong Kong

1952-10 Four Corners

1952-11 Disk Jockey

1952-12 Twenty Grand

1953-02 Silver Skates

1953-03 Starlite

1953-04 Times Square

1953-06 Fairway

1953-07 Palisades

1953-08 Grand Champion

1953-09 C.O.D.

1953-10 Army Navy

1953-10 Gun Club

1953-11 Struggle Buggies

1953-12 Dealer

1953-12 Lazy-Q

1953-12 Nine Sisters

1954 Jubilee

1954-01 Thunderbird

1954-02 Skyway

1954-03 Screamo

1954-05 Big Ben

1954-06 Daffy Derby

1954-07 Cue-Tee

1954-07 Star Pool

1954-11 Colors

1954-12 Lulu

1954-12 Spitfire

1955-03 Peter Pan

1955-03 Race the Clock

1955-04 Poker Alley

1955-04 Wonderland

1955-05 Band Wagon

1955-05 Smoke Signal

1955-05 Three Deuces

1955-08 Can Can

1955-08 Circus Wagon

1955-08 Regatta

1955-08 Snafu

1956 Red White Blue

1956-01 Tim-Buc-Tu

1956-04 Piccadilly

1956-05 Hot Diggity

1956-05 Surf Rider

1956-06 Super Score

1956-08 Fun House

1956-09 Perky

1956-09 Starfire

1956-10 Shamrock

1956-12 Cue Ball

1957-01 Gay Paree

1957-02 Arrow Head

1957-08 Naples

1957-08* Sea Wolf

1957-09 Kings

1957-09 Reno

1957-10 Contest

1957-10 Steeple-Chase

1957-11 Jig Saw

1958-02 Top Hat

1958-03 Kick-Off

1958-03 Soccer Kick-Off

1958-06 Satellite

1958-07 4 Star

1958-07 Turf Champ

1958-08 Casino

1958-09 Gusher

1958-11 3-D

1958-11 Club House

1959-01 Tic-Tac-Toe

1959-02 Golden Bells

1959-02 Spot-Pool

1959-03* Spelling Bee

1959-04 Crossword

1959-07 Sea Wolf

1959-11 Rocket

1959-12 Fiesta

1960-01 Golden Gloves

1960-02 21

1960-05 Serenade

1960-06 Darts

1960-06 Viking

1960-07 Jungle

1960-08 Music Man

1960-11 Black Jack

1960-12 Magic Clock

1961-01 Bo Bo

1961-02 Caravelle

1961-03 Highways

1961-05 Hollywood

1961-06 Ten Spot

1961-08 Double Barrel

1961-09 Add-A-Ball

1961-09 Skill-Ball

1961-10 Reserve

1961-11 Kismet

1961-12 Metro

1961-12 Space Ship

1962-01 Jolly Jokers

1962-02 3 Coins

1962-05 Coquette

1962-06 Trade Winds

1962-07 Friendship "7"

1962-08 Valiant

1962-09 King Pin

1962-10 Mardi Gras

1962-10 Vagabond

1962-12 4 Roses

1963-01 Tom Tom

1963-02 Big Deal

1963-04 Jumpin' Jack's

1963-05 Swing Time

1963-06 Skill Pool

1963-08 El Toro

1963-09 Big Daddy

1963-10 Merry Widow

1963-12 Beat the Clock

1964-02 Oh Boy

1964-03 Soccer

1964-04 Palooka

1964-05 San Francisco

1964-07 Heat Wave

1964-08 Stop 'N' Go

1964-09 River Boat

1964-10 Whoopee

1964-12 Wing Ding

1964-12 Zig Zag

1965-01 Pretty Baby

1965-02 Alpine Club

1965-03 Ski Club

1965-04 Driving Range

1965-04 Eager Beaver

1965-05 Moulin Rouge

1965-06 Pot 'O' Gold

1965-08 Lucky Strike

1965-09 Big Chief

1965-11 Bowl A Strike

1965-12 Teacher's Pet

1966-01 8 Ball

1966-03 Full House

1966-04 Top Hand

1966-05 A-Go-Go

1966-08 Big Strike

1966-09 Hot Line

1966-11 Casanova

1967-01 Magic City

1967-02 Magic Town

1967-03 Shangri-La

1967-05 Blast Off

1967-06 Apollo

1967-08 Lunar Shot

1967-09 Beat Time

1967-10 Derby Day

1967-11 Touchdown

1967-12 Jolly Roger

1967-12 Kickoff

1968-02 Ding Dong

1968-02 Smarty

1968-03 Lady Luck

1968-05 Daffie

1968-06 Student Prince

1968-08 Doozie

1968-08 Hayburners II

1968-10 Pit Stop

1968-11 Cue-T

1968-12 Cabaret

1969-02 Miss-O

1969-04 Post Time

1969-05 Suspense

1969-06 Smart Set

1969-09 Paddock

1969-10 Expo

1969-10 Roto

1969-12 Set Up

1969-12 Seven Up

1970-01 Gay 90's

1970-03 4 Aces

1970-04 Jive Time

1970-04 Rock 'N Roll

1970-06 Aces & Kings

1970-09 Strike Zone

1970-10 Straight Flush

1970-11 3 Jokers

1970-12 Dipsy Doodle

1971 Olympic Hockey

1971-02 Solids N Stripes

1971-03 Doodle Bug

1971-03 Love Bug

1971-04 Gold Rush

1971-04 Jackpot

1971-08 Klondike

1971-08 Planets

1971-08 Stardust

1971-08 Winner

1971-08 Yukon

1971-08 Zodiac

1971-10 Swinger

1971-10 Yukon (Special)

1971-11 Spanish Eyes

1971-12 Honey

1972* Triple X

1972-01 Granada

1972-03 Super Star

1972-05 Big Star

1972-06 Fan-Tas-Tic

1972-07* Typhoon

1972-09 Travel Time

1972-10 Gulfstream

1972-10 Summer Time

1972-11 Fun-Fest

1973-01 Tropic Fun

1973-01* Firefly

1973-02 Jubilee

1973-02* Tramway

1973-04 Darling

1973-06 Skee Skill

1973-08 OXO

1973-11 Triple Action

1973-11* High Ace

1973-12 Dealer's Choice

1973-12 Star Action

1974-03 Spacelab

1974-06 Skylab

1974-06 Spacelab (conversion model 443)

1974-07 Strato-Flite

1974-10 Super-Flite

1974-11 Lucky Ace

1974-12 Star Pool

1975-03 Satin Doll

1975-04 Big Ben

1975-05 Pat Hand

1975-07 Valencia

1975-08 Triple Strike

1975-09 Black Gold

1975-09 Little Chief

1975-12 Toledo

1976-01 Blue Chip

1976-01 Space Mission

1976-01 Space Odyssey

1976-02 Aztec

1976-05 Liberty Bell

1976-06 Grand Prix

1976-11 Aztec

1976-12 Rancho

1977-01 Big Deal

1977-03* Jai Alai

1977-04 Argosy

1977-05 Grand Prix

1977-06 Hot Tip

1977-06 Wild Card

1977-09 Hot Tip

1977-11 Lucky Seven

1978-01 Lucky Seven

1978-03 World Cup

1978-05 Contact

1978-06 Disco Fever

1978-08 Phoenix

1978-10 Flash

1978-11 Pokerino

1979* Space Circus

1979-03 Stellar Wars

1979-06 Rock 'N Roll

1979-07 Tri Zone

1979-09 Time Warp

1979-12 Gorgar

1979-12 Laser Ball

1980* Enforcer

1980-02 Firepower

1980-06 Blackout

1980-07 Scorpion

1980-09 Algar

1980-09* Cyclops

1980-10 Alien Poker

1980-11 Black Knight

1981-02 Jungle Lord

1981-05 Pharaoh

1981-06 Black Knight Limited Edition

1981-07 Solar Fire

1981-07* Cyclone

1981-09 Barracora

1982-05 Thunderball

1982-06 Cosmic Gunfight

1982-09 Varkon

1982-10 Warlok

1982-11* Reflex

1982-12 Defender

1983-01 Rat Race

1983-03 Time Fantasy

1983-04 Joust

1983-08 Firepower II

1983-11* Guardian

1983-12* Starfighter

1984 Still Crazy

1984-02 Laser Cue

1984-06 Star Light

1984-06* Light Speed

1984-12 Space Shuttle

1985-02* High Steel

1985-03 Sorcerer

1985-03* Avalanche

1985-04* Strike Force

1985-06 Comet

1985-06 Rat Race II

1985-12 4-IN-1 (Pigskin: 2010)

1985-12 4-IN-1 (Poker)

1985-12 4-IN-1 (Willy At The Bat)

1985-12 4-IN-1 (Willy’s Cup)

1986-01 High Speed

1986-04 Grand Lizard

1986-07 Road Kings

1986-10 PIN·BOT

1986-11* M Game

1986-11* Spitfire

1987-01 Millionaire

1987-03 F-14 Tomcat

1987-06 Fire!

1987-09 Big Guns

1987-10 Fire! (Champagne Edition)

1987-12 Space Station

1988-02 Cyclone

1988-05 Banzai Run

1988-06 Swords of Fury

1988-08 Taxi

1988-09 Consumer Pin

1988-11 Truck Stop

1988-12 Jokerz!

1989-02 Earthshaker

1989-03 Atlantis

1989-04 Black Knight 2000

1989-05* Ice Castle

1989-05* Pool

1989-06 Transporter the Rescue

1989-08 Police Force

1989-09 Elvira and the Party Monsters

1989-11 Bad Cats

1989-11 Mousin' Around!

1990 Ghost Gallery

1990 Mazatron

1990 Player's Choice

1990* A World of Clowns

1990-01 The Bally Game Show

1990-01 Whirlwind

1990-03 Pool Sharks

1990-04 Rollergames

1990-06 Diner

1990-06 Radical!

1990-06* Sudden Withdrawal

1990-08 Dr. Dude And His Excellent Ray

1990-08 Riverboat Gambler

1990-11 Funhouse

1990-12 Bugs Bunny's Birthday Ball

1991 SlugFest (Second Model)

1991-02 Harley-Davidson

1991-02 The Machine: Bride of Pin·bot

1991-05 Gilligan's Island

1991-07 Terminator 2: Judgment Day

1991-08 Hurricane

1991-08 The Party Zone

1992-02 The Getaway: High Speed II

1992-03 The Addams Family

1992-07 Black Rose

1992-09 Doctor Who

1992-10 Fish Tales

1992-12 Creature from the Black Lagoon

1993-01 White Water

1993-04 Bram Stoker's Dracula

1993-04 Twilight Zone

1993-08 Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure

1993-09 Judge Dredd

1993-11 Star Trek: The Next Generation

1994-02 Demolition Man

1994-02 Popeye Saves the Earth

1994-02 World Cup Soccer

1994-06 The Pinball Circus

1994-07 The Flintstones

1994-08 Corvette

1994-10 Red & Ted's Road Show

1994-10 The Addams Family Special Collectors Edition

1994-11 The Shadow

1995-03 Dirty Harry

1995-03 Theatre of Magic

1995-05 No Fear: Dangerous Sports

1995-06 Indianapolis 500

1995-08 Johnny Mnemonic

1995-09 WHO dunnit

1995-10 Jack·Bot

1995-11 Congo

1995-12 Attack from Mars

1996-03 Safe Cracker

1996-03 Ticket Tac Toe

1996-05 Tales of the Arabian Nights

1996-09 Scared Stiff

1996-12 Junk Yard

1997-03 NBA Fastbreak

1997-06 Medieval Madness

1997-10 Cirqus Voltaire

1997-12 No Good Gofers

1998-04 The Champion Pub

1998-07 Monster Bash

1998-10 Cactus Canyon

1999-01 Revenge From Mars

1999-06 Star Wars Episode I

1999-11 Playboy

1999-11 Wizard Blocks™

???? Aloha

???? Argosy

???? Red 'N' Go

Williams (resized).png

Nice work!
Bally?