(Topic ID: 196220)

Williams Kick off (soccer) flipper coil issue

By Classicpinballs

2 years ago

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    #1 2 years ago

    I've got the above woodrail machine with missing flipper coils, switches and bats. I can sort the latter parts out but, there is no schematic for the machine so I don't know what flipper coils should be used. I found a bag of junk inside the machine, including 2 burnt out FL21 .....missing text..400 coils. I'm sure these are used in later Williams machines but not these? Have these burnt out due to incompatable voltages?

    All the connecting cables that fed the coils and eos switches have been cut off too so if you could perhaps post a picture or two of how they should be connected up, that would really help. Maybe the FL21s were fitted and would have been ok but incorrectly wired so cause them to burn up?

    All the pop bumpers suffered a similar fate but I can see how they need to go back,etc so it's the flippers that are the main problem.

    If anyone can shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it or better still if you have a schematic with a coil list to see what flipper coils this one uses?

    Thank you

    #2 2 years ago

    Hi classicpinballs
    I see on the ipdb-schematics on "Shangri La and Jolly Roger": Coil 21 375 28 400. I used the search: http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?mfgid=351&yr=1967&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced#1501
    If I would want to look for two to four player Williams from 1965 to 1968 I then would use the search: http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?mfgid=413&yr=1965-68&pl=2-4&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced (see Williams (All Years All Company Names) and the Years and the number of players (?) ) Greetings Rolf

    #3 2 years ago

    Thanks Rolf.

    The Shangri la schematic shows it as using the FL21 coil, but my machine is some 10 years earlier and finding information on it isn't proving easy. Kick off is the standard machine for the US market and mine has the European version with the word 'Soccer on the backglass, placed where the original Williams name was. The playfields however are identical so would use the same flipper coils.

    I took a brief look on the various part supplier websites and Marco show the Fl21 coil as an em Williams flipper coil but I'm reluctant to fit these in case they are wrong. I'm sure I read somewhere that early Williams machines used a 50v supply to some coils which might well explain why those two burnt ones were laying in the cabinet, presumably overloaded?

    #4 2 years ago

    Hi classicpinballs
    from the title of Your topic I took the words "Kick Off" and did an ipdb-search http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=kick+off&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick - and I decided the pin to be this one: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1362 --- so I then looked around in 1967 ...

    I searched again in ipdb with "Soccer" - and I land here http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5188 --- surprise, an 1958 pin.
    So I do the advanced search (1958): http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?mfgid=413&yr=1958&sortby=date&searchtype=advanced - and the Turf Champ http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2670 has an schematics.
    Doing an 1957 search: No Luck - doing an 1956 search: No Luck - doing an 1955 search: The Three Deuces http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2536 has an schematics.
    The 1960 Nags has an schematics http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=1654
    Want to do an "advanced search in ipdb" by Yourself covering the years 1950 to 1960 looking for schematics ?

    What I have seen in ipdb: The old Williams used 50 Volts AC --- I have never done - may want to think about mounting Bally (50VAC) flipperbats ?

    I happen to have a non-running Freshie and the schematics --- ONE coil actuates mechanically the two flipperbats --- I only see the "W-27" as mentioned in the schematics. Greetings Rolf

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    #5 2 years ago

    Thanks, Rolf. That's interesting, thank you. I will dig a bit more to see if there are schematics that list the correct coils.

    Here's a link to the machine in question: http://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=5188

    I'll report back with how I got on...


    #6 2 years ago

    I looked through Clay's list of Williams machines and found, via IPDB, a coil chart for a machine of a similar vintage and that shows the coils as being FL25-930/31-600 so the ones that were inside the machine are obviously wrong. I think these later ones have the winding at 400 as against 600 so the resistance is quite different and could explain why they were burnt out

    I have another Williams of a similar age in store so I'll rob the coils from that one for now so I can get this one done, and order some new ones from PBR.

    Thanks again for your help.

    #7 2 years ago

    Hi classicpinballs just checked my 1959 williams tic tac toe coils as per schematic are FL 25 930 31 600. Hope this helps

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