Hi Jeff, newmantjn, +
great, You found the "Lib <-> Cons" plug. Please write what You use - I would like to have it in "Liberal" - please write (I need the information for "to study the schema"). I am interested to "elimitate the effects of the "Special-Relay" - ipdb-schema-page-2 "C-10" / "D-10" (one Relay (Special-Relay) less to deal with).
If You want to get rid of the "Carry-Over" feature of the Gate: You wold have to rewire on "Gate-Relay".
My (main) problem is the question "when jefwv is playing and the Gate is open - are there times "Gate-Control-Relay pulling" and there are times "Gate-Control-Relay is not pulling" ? Fifty-Fifty ? or 99-01 ? or 95-05 ? or 85-15 ? or 20-80 ? ... Means: Do I have to bother about "Gate is open BUT THE GATE-CONTROL-RELAY IS NOT PULLING" ? (I still am grumbling about "answer "B"").
I create two terms / words: "Regular-Gate" and "Target-Gate" (not official terms). My Number-One "Far Out" has a "Regular-Gate": http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=823&picno=52843 . My "Shangr-La" (my first love) has a "Target-Gate": http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=2110&picno=23477&zoom=1 (way up near "Blue-2").
With a new ball (also new game) the Regular-Gate closes - also my Shangri-La-Target-Gate.
When a ball goes through the Regular-Gate: The Gate closes.
When a ball goes through my Target-Gate: The Target-Gate keeps on beeing "open".
The Gate on Your pin is definitely not a Regular-Gate - but "how exactedly" does Your Target-Gate work (?).
I see three ways / possibilities:
W-A: You play many games and get the idea of the logic.
W-B: You have the playfield lifted-up and manually do tests with "Gate is open BUT the Gate-Control-Relay is NOT pulling" - tests "Gate is open AND the Gate-Control-Relay is pulling".
W-C: We (You) manipulate the pin slightly and You play some games and You find out about the logic. I would prefer W-C. Please write: "jefwv wants W-?".
The Gate-control-Relay has 5 switches to work PROPERLY. How many switches are mounted on the "Gate (Relay)" ? (It is hard to check the whole schema for to find the answer) Please write the number of switches on the Gate-(Relay).
My idea (for "W-C") is: to sneak-in into the pin a new switch and "light-on" / "light-off" the "illumination of Center Jet Bumper" - schema-page-2 around C-8. I would like to cut "Wire-White", sneak-in a Normally-Open-Switch into that "Wire-White" -> "Center Jet Bumper is lit (ONLY) when Gate-Control-Relay is pulling". With this You can play and get the idea about the Gate-Control-Relay (instead of "fumbling around = W-B".
For this (W-C) new switch we (You) have the solutions:
SW-A: A new relay mounted parallel to Gate-Control-Relay (Coil-Side-A-Gate-Control-Relay is connected with Coil-Side-A-New-Relay, also Sides-B) and a switch on New-Relay does the lighting on "Center Jet Bumper Light".
SW-B: A "Micro-Switch" mounted on the Gate-Control-Relay will do the job.
SW-C: We (You) do "rewire a bit the Gate-Control-Relay-Switches" - I claim to be able to rewire and the pin will run "100 % as before" - but we can use a (existing) switch on Gate-Control-Relay to do the job.
For "W-C, SW-C" and "for helping You finding a solution (W-A / W-B): I need the answer to my question (last sentence in my post-13): "jefwv - can You tell (pic-1 / pic-2) the colours of the wires (top -> down) ?"
Want to study the schema-page-4 around E-19 / E-20 -> I claim: I can use the "Normally-Open-Switch on Gate-control-Relay, wires "Red-White and "Yellow-Blue"" (the one switch near the Outhole-Relay-Switch).
Whatever You answer "W-A or W-B or W-C (SW-A or SW-B or SW-C)": I am interested in the "Gate-Problem" ... Greetings Rolf
P.S.: newmantjn - do You have a "paper-schema of Hot Line" ? Can You help us with a PDF showing (end of page-3 / beginning of page-4): -18 -19 (C D E F G) ? (I am working on "freshen-up a copy of ipdb-schema in "MS-Paint" - and I would like to add the missing information.