Machine was working other than small glitches like 100 counter missing once in a while.
Now on power up it will usually allow 1 play only (not second player) and when that game is over it will not allow another play regardless of credit wheel setting.
AFter the game is played, the only way to restart is to hit the kick off switch on the bottom which powers down the machine. Then hitting the start will do a full reset, and let you play 1 player game, but again, not 2 and not after the 5 balls are used.
No blown fuses. tried it in both free play and with credits on wheel.
All contacts in lower cabinet have been cleaned and tested for make/break contact.
This game is scheduled to go to TPF, so we are in a bit of a panic to get it going by Thursday to load.

No I do not.

Here is part of a schematic I was able to find. It does include the reset, so it might help.

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That bit of the schematic is all I have. It's a sample from somone selling it online.

Looking for it now.

I am unable to find that part. The text is so hard to read, I'm not sure I'm looking correctly.

The machine is ours, not somebody else's and we don't have a full schematic.

We had quite a few contacts that we not working properly (we tested and sometimes they worked and sometimes the didn't as they were very dirty), so we cleaned the contacts thinking they might be the problem, then we tested after they were cleaned to make sure we didn't create anymore problems.

We do not have a full schematic for this machine as we are relative newcomers to pinball repair.

Any ideas on possible help would be great, we have diagnosed down to the start button not tripping a reset relay, we have multiple ways to make the machine work but don't want to jury rig something when we could fix it the right way.

Jim and Corban Danforth

The credit wheel is working properly, we've tested those switches as they were our first suspect. I have re seated the 3 plugs in the back, and i'm trying to find my volt meter to check them for continuity.

It will only play ( one player or two) after a reset, suck as the slam switch on the bottom or total power down. There is a relay in the back of the machine on the bottom marked coin relay, if i throw that relay it allows me one game and if i throw it again i can play two player, so i suspect whatever is supposed to trip that relay is not working. I'm not very good at reading schematics so i cant trace my power all the way back to the start switch. What relays or switches should i be on the look out for?

Thanks Corban D

Ok so after i've played my first game should the lock relay release? i've founds all the relays except for

So after my first game it does that sequence except not the switch lock relay?

thanks

Ok, mine is staying open.

I'll clean it, anything else i should look for?

Start trip relay is staying on and power is flowing thru the contacts, ill check for broken wires now.

Thanks

Edit- pinside wont let me post anything else because i've made to many posts...

My mistake on the start trip, i meant to say lock relay. i have not found the statr trip yet, is it on the bottom or in the back?

thanks

Edit- ok i think i know which one your talking about, i'll check on it and clean it tomorrow.

Ok, so after some work we got the start button to work but the giant relay that resets all the trip relays is never firing. What triggers it?

Tia corban

All Fuses checked. 4 just inside machine, and 1 slo blow by reset bar

This is Jim, Corban's Dad. Editing this post so I don't use up my 24 hr limit.
I checked volatge at the large solenoid. It idles at 3 or so Volts. I can trip that relay in the top left, and it will breifly see higher voltages (digital meter doesn't settle).
So I'm suspicious that coil/solenoid is dead. What resistance should I see across the terminals?

Definately getting 110V to that fuse when tripped, and no response from solenoid. I'm thinking it's getting power, but maybe no ground?

9.2ohms btw

Had to sleep on it. After chasing the big reset solenoid, I wanted to start fresh since today is our last chance before loading for the trip in the morning.
So here's my current results:
Plug in machine. No change.
Verify machine in free play, or has credit.
press start button. It wakes up, fires top relay in pic, and wheel keeps spinning but does not reset the large solenoid .
Manually cycle the lower relay shown in the pic, and the large solenoid fires, and game play is normal until all balls are used.

So.. whatever tells that lower relay to fire is not responding.

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WE found it!!!! One of the leaves on the big bar was under the little bar instead of over. Then we broke the glass! On my way to town for new glass

It was insanely close. Machine is going even if I have to put an acrylic top on for the weekend.
I thank you for your help. You have been a tremendous resource.