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Williams 3 coins 1962 one point relay not moving score reel

By Mastkey

1 year ago



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#1 1 year ago

So I have a 1962 Williams "3 coins" that is working almost 100% with this nagging problem I have yet to resolve. Any one point features on the game will not score. I have checked all the places on the Playfield that give one point, I think around 15, and they do not score. When I start a game, I can hit the one point feature and it will close the ball gate as it should, but will not have enough power to turn the score reel.
I have been able to get the reel to move if I manually touch the relay with my finger, but only very firmly. If I just move it up and slightly touch the contacts, it will not move the reel.

Here is a list of things I have already tried:

Replaced the coil on the score reel.
Checked all one point features for making contact.
Replaced ratchet mech. on score reel as the original was broken and not closing the eos properly.
Adjusted alternating relay. ( goes between 1 point and 10 points.)
Changed relay spring thinking it might be too stiff.
Cleaned the contacts aggressively with a normal flexstone and a fine metal file.
Resoldered some of the wires on the relay in case there was too much resistance.
Cleaned male and female Jones plugs throughout game.
Swapped the one point relay coil with the 100 point relay coil.
Taken the one point score reel apart about 15 times looking for ??? ...something.
Took a jumper and jumped from one side of the contact to the other and it works great, but nothing from the PF switches. PF switch will energize relay, ring the bell, score reel won't move but I do get slight movement from the plunger, as if it is trying but doesn't seem to have enough power.

Thats about it, so I could sure use some assistance.

#2 1 year ago

It looks like it revolves around your 1pt relay. "Took a jumper and jumped from one side of the contact to the other and it works great," "I have been able to get the reel to move if I manually touch the relay with my finger, but only very firmly."

If your ringing the 1pt bell, the relay should be working well enough. And the correct amount power is at the score reel contacts at the 1pt relay, if your able to jumper across the points, so the wiring and switches between contactor and the reel work fine. I've had loose contacts on set of contacts on a relay where it would only work if mashed hard together. Sounds like the contactor is working (bell is ringing), and everything after the relay is working.

You could try desoldering and swap the wires for the bell contacts, and score reel on the 1pt relay, as a test.

#3 1 year ago

I was able to take the old contact off, put on a used contact that I cleaned up, and had to solder it from below. It does work but I would prefer a better contact switch as original.

#4 1 year ago
Quoted from Mastkey:

but I would prefer a better contact switch as original.

pbresource sells new contacts and new empty blades
http://www.pbresource.com/pfswitch.htm#common

#5 1 year ago

These are the R type relays, which are the older type used on woodrails mostly.

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