We need a run of these for the next ZapCon. "Ask me about Tron VE!". I'll have to make one.

I'm always attracted to the looks of a Tron with lit ramps (whether LE or modded pro). But each time I play a few games on Tron I realize it is only okay to me (and not a must-have like 12 of the 13 games in my room).

I own a few Mustang cars, so I wanted to like the pin. I played several games on a couple Mustang pros and liked the gameplay a lot, so I ordered a Mustang Boss premium pin. Now I have a 2013 Boss 302 to go with it.

Keep the gameplay the same and change it from Mustang to Camaro and I still would have bought one. I swapped the Mustang model on the turntable for a red GT500 like one I own, but make it a Camaro pin and I would swap the Camaro model on the playfield for an inferno orange ZL1 like one I also own.

Your analogy is worthless from the start, because Mustang doesn't have a shitty layout or rules set. To the contrary, Mustang is a very fun game to play - as many pinheads who have bothered to get over their admitted disinterest in the theme, have found out and will attest to. Even better yet, are the apparently less experienced Premium/LE versions with their added gameplay features.

It's not an analogy. And it's not mine. But it is indeed worthless which was my whole point.

I certainly never said Mustang had a shitty layout and ruleset. On the contrary I said the ruleset was pretty good and layout was more creative. If you really don't think that theme drives Tron sales, I think you are kidding yourself. Even you yourself said, "Tron looks better, it plays better, it sounds better". You do realize that that two out of the three factors you stated for Tron being a better game are based on theme right? The question was asked what makes Tron so desirable? It's a totally fair question as the game doesn't have a unique layout, fantastic toy, great dots or even a creative ruleset. The theme takes that good overall package and makes it great in this case. Tron looks and sounds cool. When you add aftermarket stuff that should have been there to begin with, it looks really cool. Theme can take a good game and elevate it like it did with Tron or take a good game and drive it down like it did with Mustang. I don't understand why some people get so worked up about that. It's pretty common knowledge and why Stern does all licensed themes to begin with so they can hopefully catch lightning in a bottle with that theme's demographic.

What is worthless is the seemingly matter of fact condemnation that Mustang suffers from. While some will always love or hate any game, for varying reasons, Mustang especially seems to have been given a bum rap on Pinside by many who haven't really played it and are just repeating a judgement that is accepted as true.

Some will argue that this is true of TRON as well - except that the resultant rating is often opposite that of Mustang's.

Hi. I was told there was a Mustang VE thread in here? Can't wait.

I'm just gonna swap out the pro and ve cabs to confuse myself and the next buyer,... and I hate money.

Tuna good sir you have set the bar WAY too high for rulesets. I keep looking for such a masterpiece for MET but all I'm finding is hurt feelings....
Gettin ready to give ole Mustang some love right now.

Damn, can't sneak a thing past this guy!

By the way...does anyone have a TRON PRO with the original 3D trans, chrome trim (and coin door), LEDs, ELI kit, halmark cycles, ColorDMD, silk screened cabinet for sale? Cus' that is what I am looking for.

Ok, I deserve it but I really didn't notice the sarcasm when I read your post. I also think JCOM would make a awesome pin. I loved the movie.

You sure I can't interest you in a fabulous Mustang Pro? Cause if you put a Tron pf in it, throw on some nauseating edm, and close yer eyes, you are practically playing Tron VE. It's like VR man, but it's M/T VE.

... and by fabulous mustang you mean...?

lemme shake this thing and i'll let you know

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The opposite of unfabulous.
Tronstang VE = very bueno fabulous.

Also that was supposed to be joke...but why isn't there a Mustang VE thread? Anyone.....anyone?

Oh don't worry...I am sure Pinside will get around to it

Mustang doesn't get the love it deserves. It's a very fun game to play.

Theme absolutely drives sales...look no further than Ghostbusters.

I wanted to love Mustang so bad, but something about it just didn't grab me. The rows of square car inserts made it feel like a game from the mid 2000's when Stern was scraping bottom. I skipped it and bought a Stern Star Trek, a game I love based on shows/movies I don't even like.

Theme isn't everything!

It's the ONLY thing!

Idiots.

It is one of Stern's better games.

Mustron VE.
You think you hate it now wait till you play it.

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Theme is huge don't kid yourself. If a game plays well and has great rules but I don't like the theme, there isn't a chance I'm putting it in my game room.

I also refer to super-competitive players who care only about WPPR pts and their IFPA ranking as "Score Queens".

It's always on a sliding scale and I think realistically it is for most people.
On one side you have something like WWE & there is no way, it's not getting in at all.
Then you have Metallica whom I cannot stand, but the art was good (not pics of them) and the game was awesome, so I owned it and would again.
Then you have IJ4 which is a great theme, and just a total disaster.

Everyone's diff'rent and you never know. I mean you're an adult and you love the movie Avatar...it's takes all kinds.

The only reason I'd place a small bet that a Tron VE would involve 1981 Tron is due to a Facebook post Stern made a couple of years ago with the old Tron movie poster and some statement along the lines that "old is new again".

After thinking about it more, I think Disney would want to license the newer version of their IP since a pinball machine is a form of advertisement ... Tron 3 may not be dead from what I read, so they might not want to have "old Tron" on a new product ...

I'd have problems sleeping if a Tron "1980" VE were announced ... I wouldn't know what to do with mine . I love the sound/callouts of the "modern" Tron, but LOVE the 80s film .

At any rate, if anyone is looking for a Tron and has the means, don't let a potential VE spoil it for you ... just buy the thing and enjoy it. Life's too short to worry about these things .

So wait...if mustang were actually Avatar, what would happen?

Exactly! Just buy it and start having fun. Do not live another day of your life without a Tron to enjoy. Find one, buy it, make it yours and then play it to your hearts content.

Yup, and this is one of those games that actually justifies the price of the majority of the mods. Which you'll have to acquire from scratch aside from what I assume will be the El ramps. Spiderman didn't drop that much after the VE due to the insane pricing. Pick up a loaded one and be happy

The cars would be blue and avoid crashing into trees.

Mine has orange trim. And an EL apron and siderails. Otherwise, yes.

Awwwwwwww...... IJ4 is a fun game. I had one for a while but I did have to let it move on

Mustang woulda been a fine playing game if they didn't allow building up super jackpots to 300Mill during MB. Up to 300 for one single shot which is higher than most people's GC score. Absurd.

Moral of story is code is king and trumps even theme. Tron rules are nearly bulletproof and not easily exploitable.

I just bought a Tron LE so now it's guaranteed to be remade.

Congrats, and NO, a TRONLE will never be remade!!!...enjoy your machine!!!

Thats right! They'll call is a premium and offer everything the LE has.

I just don't know why I can't stay away from these threads.....a glutton for punishment.....most reasonable people have, but can't help myself......

A moth to a flame,

Precisely....

While I agree Mark, the way Stern are going at the moment and treating their dedicated customer base (BM66 treatment is appalling) would it really surprise any of us if Stern started to remake VE with LE features and just call them a premiumVE?

I know at first thought, it would potentially damage people's trust on future LEs but that's exactly what Stern are doing currently on any future SLE releases

A 300 MIL point super jackpot might be technically possible (100 MIL Combo Jackpot in Burnout Multiball with 3X scoring active at same time?), but REALLY damn hard to achieve nonetheless. I guess I'm fortunate to be a mere mortal when it comes to playing pinball as Mustang is fun as hell and a fine playing game for me.

I'll be very happy if TRON VE is as much fun.

Nah.....fact remains.....Stern has never made a remake of an LE, and never will ( been discussed endlessly). You may not like the LE of a particular model ( or price) , and quality/ price have been in question lately, but the LE, SLE ( whatever) will always be just that....LIMITED. VE's will be made, vaults will be made, and some feature carry over may exist, but LE's sell out before they are ever even released, regardless of price.Re skins, rethemes, whatever, but a premium LE...nope.

BIBLE VE? Fat chance
TRONLE? Same
Even BM66LE or SLE? Nope

( I think it's out of my system now....at least until the 10th version of this comes up again)....

I think Mustang is a cool machine, btw...played it several times on location...

I don't see any reason it wouldn't be remade. Heck it's already Had 4 editions so why not a 5th. I took the high road and just bought one recently, remake or not I'm playing Tron

Well, LUCI was basically another LE guised as a VE of sorts. I wouldn't be shocked to see a Tron Premium with identical features to the LE but different art. I also wouldn't be shocked if they priced it at $10k!

I am shocked the game commands what it does. People see almost everything it has to offer the first time they play it. I was done with the game in a night's worth of play.

I don't spend as much time "exploring" the modes as I do on something like Simpsons Pinball Party, but Tron is an excellent game to play someone at to see who can score the highest. When I have pinball bros over, the competition is always the fiercest on Tron. Other than the great competition game play, a good portion of the appeal is sound/theme/visuals.