We were running low on R and M threads....good thing a fresh batch cropped up

Depends on how great the game is and how many owners hold on to them
Supply and demand

If most owners, like myself, plan on holding this title for years - the are going to be difficult to find used and prices will rise
Heck - the 1,000's of R&M fans that are not inside the pinball universe don't even know this machine exists yet.

To be fair the census of Stranger Things threads VS Rick and Morty threads are probably at par.

I know of 750 people who just happened to have $7,500 layin' around just yesterday.

NO

I voted no simply because there was no option for: Who cares? I bought it to play it.

Might hold its value but I I doubt it will go up.

I’m sure some of the first games will change hands for a profit. There will be a lot of impatient buyers that don’t want to wait up to 18 months to get their game. Same thing happened with TNA

Limited games - sold out within a few hours?

Of course it will go up.

Yes, surely everybody who bought one will be getting rich off of their investment.

I think if gameplay is pretty good to great, it will go up in value. But if gameplay is meh or clunky, or people just don't enjoy it. It may hold just under msrp or drop. The theme and limited numbers will keep it decent value no matter what. But even TNA at 550? sells for less than msrp used and that was a good game.

1000 TAFG. Yes, I am comparing this to TAFG... prove me wrong. If the regular fan base was aware of yesterday, there would be plenty of heartache in the main thread. If I did not get one, I was prepared to pay significantly more than MSRP to secure one.

As long as 750 owners are dedicated, machines don't pop up for sale too frequently, and the few machines on route are well received by pinheads and R&M fans alike, I easily see the price of a BSE going up to 9-10k (especially by Christmas, lol) and remaining steady.

Really, if every single owner "fixes" the secondary market price when they eventually pop up for sale, the situation will mimic TAFG. My father-in-law sold TAFG #30 for about 19k because someone was willing to pay that price to get their hands on it (and other owners hardly sell and when they do, they ask for silly money).

If scarcity on the secondary market exists in the future and the potential seller sets a price accordingly, the only limit on valuation are the depth of the buyer's pockets and their willingness to be parted from his or her money for a pinball machine.

So owners, let us unionize and create a binding agreement to never let one of these machines onto the secondary market for less than $14,000... lol.

Probably follow similar pattern to other games.

Months 1 - 3 will go higher for sure.

Months 4 - 9 stay above purchase price.

Months 10 onwards - start to trend downwards.

Year 1 - 3 around purchase price.

After that, who knows!

curious if you got one?

Yes it will, I've offered up $1.00 USD above actual invoice to the first taker!

$50,000 by Christmas

Yes.

Until it goes back down.

You've seen the fake listing on eBay?

Yes, he has his own Rick and Morty thread. And it's awesome!

Will you get one?

Two phases:

pre-GA... it will go up once numbers are known and people want to 'get one early'
post-GA - once the game is well understood in the field... and code is mostly complete... people will know if the game is really a good player or not, and that will drive values.

You can expect there will be plenty of games bought as speculation... so there will be games or slots available. The key is simply demand to push it's value.

Given it's a new game, unless it's WWE, its going to retain at least 85% of its paid price for awhile.

The struggle will be is there have been plenty of hints that code will not be anywhere near done when games start going out. So we are going to have to weather the period where impressions will be hindered by software.. and promises of 'code will come...'

please say you do not believe this garble? and comparing it to TAFG - LOL

It will end up right right where TNA, RZ, and AMH are currently

RZ sold out very quickly. Early machines were flipped for a profit. There is a rabid fan base outside of the pinball community. No poll option for 'will drop in value like RZ'?

It couldn't end up being that bad of a game though... I mean I couldn't fathom.

We are talking about a sold out game based on a currently hot show voted #12 best TV show EVER on imdb. Highest comedy on the list. Highest animated show on the list. Not some generic nuke theme, not freaking Rob Zombie, not a silly ghost theme, not even a washed up rock star with a once edgy girl's name and close to zero current relevance.

We are talking about a game that basically sold out its entire production run in like four hours.

We are talking about a dream team's game from a company just hitting its stride, with modes based on crazy adventures from the show which fans will recognize and which will therefore suck them right in.

Can't think of any reason the price will go up, though.

Don't you mean $1000?

RZ sold out in hours also but look at the value of those games. If its a great game, who knows.

They made just enough for the pinball buyer market at the correct price point.

Another flash in the pan. I remember the hype for Munsters, then the cracks once they were played, then downright hostility. What is the first Simpsons pin worth? Probably where R&M ends up.

Oscar Wilde said we always destroy the things we love. Nowhere is that truer than in Pinball!

My Pinvestment Advisor advised me to buy R&M. I said "Are you sure?". He said "Trust me".

Lets track down the Diamond and Platinum Beatles buyers and ask them how their "investment" is doing. I am pretty sure Stern never made all 1964, and the Beatles fans are an even bigger fan base. Stern is also marketing to a bigger pool by default.

Rule #1
Do not buy NIB pins for speculation. Bad idea even 5 years ago. At today's prices........

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Look, I think it's time for everybody who did not buy an R&M to admit the truth: they made a horrible mistake that will haunt them the rest of their days.

The young will actually envy the aged, as that's simply more decades of regret that will affect their every action from now until the grave. At least the elderly have scant years until the sweet embrace of death or senility finally frees them from their prison without bars - the gilded jail of which they cannot escape; the realization that they have doomed themselves and their families to lives of abject poverty because they didn't pull the trigger on Rick and Morty when they had the chance.

Myself, I will slog through the years, putting on a brave face and even continuing to buy and sell pinball machines. Yes, I'll have my moments of diversion, where I sell a 30-year old game for $200 profit and a faint smile crests my lips.

But hiding behind the façade of joy will always be the dark truth of my failure to properly invest my pinball money, as Rick and Morty continues to soar unabated into the annals of pinball profiteering history.

And those few moments between when I wake up each morning, and before I remember the crushing failure to act that fateful December morn? These will truly be my only few seconds of peace that I find daily until my dying breath. Surely, my last conscious act on this Earthly plane will be to remember the day my life changed forever into one of hope and joy, into regret and sadness.

So thanks a lot PC programmer. Really appreciate the twisting of the knife.

That BS edition is nearing $7,500. That will buy you a decent percentage of machines on the market. Then again with Bally / Williams, Stern, or JJP we do know they can be remade, vaulted or re-titled as the super-duper, this time we mean it, limited edition, so perhaps that's creating a cap on there machines. We trust that there will only ever be 750 of these machines. That alone won't drive price, but combined with being a unique layout and great theme who knows. I continue be to be surprised by the pinball communities willingness to spend. I'd vote yes, it will increase in value.

Project pinball's rick and morty blood sucker raffle just went live!

I love this site.

Overpriced cash grab on a mediocre game, let's not.

Good point. Price pumpers are always saying "Wait until the fan base (outside of pinball) gets wind of this." And it always has almost zero impact. Only us pinball fans pony up for these things.

We haven't even seen R&M flip though....

This has my vote for pinside post of the year...hilarious (and strikingly accurate).

I think you're right in general. Supreme seems to have been an aberration. Those people are just nuts.

Not that I would really expect it to be. I think Spooky is on a roll. Just pointing out that all the options in the poll sound like a win-win for the owners, at a time in pinball where nearly all new games are dropping in value due to the high prices of NIB and oversaturation. The reasons cited for this being a 'sure thing' are not exclusive to R&M.

If it follows the pattern of the Spooky pins before it, the answer is of course, no. Maybe this one breaks the cycle, but I doubt it.

I think it will be possible to pick up a game in 18 - 24 months for less than NIB.

That's my plan.

Play it and get it one day.

No hurry.

Yes...I see ops charging $1 a game everywhere.

Except Denver... Our ops are the best in the land!

You are probably right. This is the reality of almost any new pin, though every once in a while a Tron or POTC comes around. In general though, you're paying a premium for NIB.