Idk. Other than adding callouts I doubt the update would do anything about the style in which they designed the sound package.
Sound really is too integral to the play of a game for it to be something you can dismiss or overlook. I actually got rid of my Medieval madness years ago because I found the callouts(especially the trolls) to grating. Otherwise I thought the game was pretty cool.

David Thiel was a HUGE loss for JJP...................

why isn't JJP using him anymore? Too much $ or did he retire?

that sweet deeproot money. they have so much talent now. hopefully they can deliver.

A huge tragedy for Stern & JJP. His music & sound design is fantastic. He’s been a legend since creating the iconic sound for Q*Bert!!!

I respect his decision, cuz I’m all for artists getting a steady packcheck....that being said, F Deeproot.

I hate to say this....but its just another troll post like we had to deal with repeatedly through the years. Ignore it and it will go away.

Not everyone not agreeing with oneself is a troll.

I wish JJP nothing but the best and see what they've done for pinball but nontheless tgeir lineup doesn't resonate with me.

And depending on where you're from a license like Wonka, wich never was broadcasted or available here until recently, is dead on arrival.

Now we can't post about yardwork?? That's it! Now you get pics of my plants!

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Let me explain that one for you... I type a bit over 100 words per minute, I don't proof read anything, and sometimes my brain thinks faster than my fingers. And FYI I'm not losing anything but a few minutes of my life reading this non-sense about JJP going out of business in 2020, or how they're a niche company like Spooky, or how bad their sound systems are, or the best one was showing a playfield that isn't chipped but a claim it would chip.

So when I ask if anyone has a life around here, I kind of meant it, and it was kind of a joke! You figure it out!

The bottom line is I'm looking forward to seeing Guns N Roses, Toy Story, and getting my Wonka LE. I'm also looking forward to seeing the next Stern game, especially Elvira. I'm also hoping that Stern will start to return to their roots when they made games like Simpsons, with tons of toys, creativity, and lots of imagination. I'm not a JJP lover, I'm a lover of games where creativity and originality shine thru!

I'm not an old school pinball player, I don't like TNA, I like themed games, collector games, and especially games that you can go shopping for to add even more creativity. Doesn't mean TNA isn't someone else's best game ever, I'm just more into the innovation, toys, with amazing artwork. I just have a different perspective. Nothing wrong with that.

My favorite game of all time is POTC, not just based on what JJP did but based on the mods and upgrades other people made to improve the games appearance. My Pirates is totally decked out, and now that I have every mod that makes sense, I might pull the legs and armor and powder coat them. I like it when you can make a game better than it was originally, and when you're done its a work of art. Some games don't lend themselves to improvement while others do... I don't have my Wonka yet, but I've already bought and received multiple mods for the game. I'm excited.

Lastly, what I don't like more than anything is people who lie and slander and this thread is full of it! An opinion isn't a fact and a fact isn't an opinion some people need to learn that.

I think the main question is will this thread survive past 2020? Will the same people be bashing JJP and praising Stern? Will the same people be bashing stern and praising JJP? Will people be pointlessly arguing about who is better to other people that have no intention of being convinced that they are wrong? Will someone have sought out DrFrightner and kicked him in the nuts?

Self-knowledge is the first step to improvement. ;P

I Loved watching Wonka and Woz as a kid there was a certain magic in them as there was with Rudolph the red nosed reindeer and the Charlie Brown or Peanuts holiday specials. That does not make them a good pinball theme

Nor does it make them good to watch now as an adult.

They're extremely hard to sit through now.

I still think a great game can overcome a bad theme, but a great theme can't help a bad game.

Good points. Congo is a fun pinball but the movie sucked.

No...fucking....shit

Speaking of creative freedom. Why TF would they artificially "age" the film footage on Choco Fact by adding fake "dust" and "hair" on top of it while its playing?

cause it makes it look CINEMATIC.

this is a typical 'creative' move from a 'non-creative' person.

obscene color saturation levels and unnecessary lens flare being other common examples.

I 100% agree with Wonka being a questionable theme. This is my opinion only, but that movie has always been just plain weird and creepy to me. Certainly not something I would ever put in my house. That being said, I have never been a fan of any paid for licensed theme pin in my private collection. Having owned FH, BK, AFM, Space Mission, Fathom, NGG, I almost always go for original themes over a paid for license pin.

Fuck, look at the huge dimples on those roses.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the piece of garbage remake starring Johnny Depp. This is Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory starring Gene Wilder.

Are you referring to film grain?

Good lord how do you type so many words?

he types 100 words/minute and drinks lots of coffee...

You're right. Thanks.

Yes. ADDED digital film grain that's actually shitty. Yes.

I learned to type in high school, and I'm just fast. Its actually painful for me to watch people type. I'm definitely over 100 words per minute its easy when you know how to type. As for not proof reading, why should I the point is the point even if there is an error. Who cares. I don't have time to read every word. I actually have stuff to do like make money. I can tell you this I didn't buy and currently own 33 pinball games because I sit around on pinside all day and slander a company with false accusations. I actually own my own business and make a lot of money, so I can afford to spend it on things that interest me. If I sat on this message board and listened to all these people whine all day, about almost everything I'd be homeless.

Either way... this subject has gone off the rails from slander against JJP, lies about JJP, to playfields that aren't chipped that might chip, to deep root, to sound boards, to guys who've left JJP now work at Deep Root, to talking about flowers.

Lets switch the subject again... is McGregor ever going to fight again? I'm thinking no! That seems as good as any new topic switch.

No I hate coffee and chocolate. I do drink a lot of lemon tea does that count?

I don't think you understand what I am saying. Let me re-phrase it. Why do you type so many words?

Someone call the police...I think someone abducted Dr. Frightner. His post stopped after only two short sentences!

Since this subject has gotten so off base I was wondering can we change the subject to muscle cars? Does anyone collect them? I do... I'm a Mopar guy and I have six of them. Share some pics if you own a muscle car!

I've got several and some are in the middle of restoration... 1970 Plymouth 440 6 Pack Superbird - 1970 Plymouth 440 6 Pack Cuda - 1970 Dodge Challenger TA 340 6 Pack - 1970 Plymouth AAR Cuda 340 6-Pack - 1969 Dodge 426 Super Bee - 2016 Charger Hellcat. The AAR in the picture is almost totally restored. Its going to look pretty bad ass sitting next to its sister the Superbird.

I hoping next this topic gets switched to clowns because I have a lot of really weird clown pics! LOL

PS: Does anyone know if there is a mopar thread on pinside?
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Yeah, I don't like that either especially when new movies do it. Unfortunately, that's not a JJP thing, that's something commonly done. At least its justifiable by the fact that WW was originally shot on film. The movie that it irked me the most on was 300.

Why does War and Peace have 587,287 words? Who knows! I don't know if some of you realize how dumb this thread is and or if you realize I'm just screwing with some of you people. I'm just sitting here laughing. I'm perfectly sane and just laughing about the whole thing while some of you guys just melt down into butter. Its pretty funny almost as funny as this slanderous thread. This whole site is funny how people dig into camps, and they slam anything they don't like without even giving it a chance. The whole site is funny if you want to know the truth. So I'm just trying to play along. I promise you I'm screwing with you and some of the fanboys just fall right into the flytrap. Its so funny actually. I wish the whole site was more open minded, if someone gives a pinball game a 10 the fanboys go into meltdown mode and flag the review. If you're a fan of Stern they can do nothing wrong and someone who has an opposite opinion is slammed like crazy. If you give JJP a 10 rating, you're ripped to shreds... its that persons opinion why the flag why the downvote?

The whole site with flags for peoples ratings, or downvoting peoples opinions is just begging for hostility! I wonder if pinside realizes this? People who love Stern can do that without bashing another vendor, and vice versa. If I love a game I will give it a good rating hopefully without a flag for my opinion, and if I don't like a game and I give it a low rating, why is it someones opinion different from yours is downvoted, or flagged? I spent 10 minutes looking at all the people who rated a game a ten got flagged? WHY? That is their opinion why does it get flagged? Why do people start threads asking if JJP is going out of business when they have no facts to back up that claim? They have real workers, bills to pay, and they work towards making the industry better.

This site is just volatile... someone posts they're leaving pinside, stupid to start a post announcing that I get it, but all the same 100 people said good riddance to the guy. Why? Why is everyone so nasty around here? It deserves a few more words sorry! So there is your answer. But as the Alfred said in Batman, some people just can't be reasoned with. Oh well... LOL!

Here is a line you might like... I'm not posting to this stupid thread again. But with that being said if I come to Chicago Pinball Festival, I'm going to try I'll come back and post which day I can make it. Anyway... I'm buying every single person from this thread whatever they want to drink ON ME!!!!! Promise!! Even the people who slammed me its on my bros!!! Then you'll see how dumb this thread really is and how when you come together in person everyone will just laugh it off. People act different on message boards and in person its like what huh I don't even remember. LOL SERIOUSLY I'M BUYING FOR EVERYONE!

Not sure why he types so many words but I only read his first and last sentience. Every thing in between is just noise.

His overly repetitive postings made me hope so.

But I certainly have to respect someone who has amassed such a great collection of American muscle cars. Very nice!

I’ll play JJP on location, but they haven’t offered anything that I’d want in my collection. Now if they did a theme I liked and the game was also fun, I’d definitely put one in my collection. As for issues with play fields chipping, etc. I’ve seen these issues mentioned in Stern and JJP threads. It is what it is unfortunately. I’m sure we are due for another dimples thread lol. As for any pinball manufacturer making it last 2020, I sure do hope so. I’ve recently just picked up a stupidly loaded computer for the purpose of VR, and I’m blown away. I can definitely see VR being the wave of the future. I’d also love a pinball collection in a VR setting with tactile functions. Wouldn’t replace “real” pinball for me, but would be fun to play machines I won’t be able to own due to cost, rarity and space limitations.

Typing skills: 70wpm
Cars: 2
Muscle rating on cars: Weak

I rate pretty low on the Frightner Scale.

It has that? Do you remember the scene? I remember the slo-mo shtuff, but not the film grain.

Haven’t been in this thread for a few days and look at the image summary.....I’ve landed in the muscle car gardening forum.

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It's not a scene, it's the whole movie.

I thought the graininess throughout 300 had to be a stylistic choice by the director.
If it was unintentional surely someone during film production would have questioned it.

Oh man, the shit storm of whining about film grain online when the Blu-ray of 300 came out, people were losing their minds.

The film grain thing on Wonka is because some scenes are meant to look like they're being projected on a screen, no? It's only on those bits, and not the full screen I thought. I dunno, I don't love Wonka's AV package, but you're never going to hear me say JP isn't creative. He's done the best LCD packages in pinball, hands down. If he didn't nail this one, well, maybe it's the theme. The music and sounds are fighting the same thing, maybe the guy behind them is talented and just doesn't have much to work with. I know the art is dull because of the license, it's the slot machine package, it is what it is.

I feel the same way about this that I do about any license that holds a game back. It sucks, I feel for the people making it, and ultimately it's the company's fault for choosing it. There are a million ideas out there to use, pick a better one next time. It's weird to me that for all the time and work pinball entails more time isn't spent making sure that work is being spent on something that will shine.

I have zero doubt that Pat's talents would sell better with a more appealing package. JJP needs people who aren't engineers making more decisions, that much is clear to me at least from what I understand about how they're run now.

(Wonka is a fine movie and fine theme, but the assets and restrictions are clearly an issue, so you gotta be realistic about what really working with a theme means, regardless of how much you love the idea.)

At this point, I still prefer DI. Most people downplay the creative aspects of that game, callouts, game universe, etc. For me, I like what the crew developed, and the original nature of it feels less repetitive than a license with video and audio clips. Feels a bit friendlier to shoot also.

Yep. Was really surprised Toy Story wasn't next in line. I imagine Disney/Pixar would be a better partner (and the Toy Story franchise is much more modern/relevant).

Willy Wonka is almost 50 years old! Seems like the license owners might not be as motivated to engage? (assuming they are alive

you might imagine that but the reality is they are one of the most ruthless and difficult 'partners' to deal with when it comes to licensing and utilizing their IP.

i'm actually surprised that pinball manufacturers even attempt to deal with them considering the high costs and nitpicky restrictions they are known for.

Going to be interesting to see how restrictive Toy Story licencing is. Cant imagine it will be easy or cheap. Lets hope JJP had someone like Roger Sharpe negotiating on their behalf.

Disney was difficult with Pirates due to there being SOOO many producing partners and contracts...there's Bruckheimer & all the actors having their own individual deals.

Animation is different...it will be much easier for them to use assets and art for Toy Story. Voices will be a different story, and cost more to do it right...but shouldn't be impossible. Here's what I imagine will happen: They make a deal to use any real voice clips from the movies (that way you get a ton of Buzz, Woody, etc) ....then for custom voices, they'll get "cheaper" characters...maybe they can get Wallace Shawn for Rex, or a Rickles sound-alike for Mr. Potato Head...Rickles making fun of the player would be perfect for a custom voice.

I guess voices for animated movies can be easily substituted with voice actors.

Indeed, their standards are quite high.

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