Your probaly right I’m about 90% there on buying Wonka,just not sure between SE and LE

People WTF this thread had been dead for two days and you let drfrightner suck you back in

JJP POTC is better than DI.

I've owned all except Wonka . Not sure where it fits in - haven't played it yet.

But for sure, TH is the worst.

I read exactly what you wrote your exact words were “WOZ is one of the highest selling pinball games in history again how is that niche?” Yeah you mention games made in the past 10 years a few paragraphs later but that was in reference to resale value of modern games . If you wanted to say WOZ is one of the highest selling games in past 10 years why not just write that instead of what you did write ? And for the record I like JJP and would hate to see them stop making games , I just don’t understand trying to prop them up with false information.

I don't even need to play Wonka at Gogi...I already know I hate it from the awful slot machine sound package. Absolute ear torture.

This one is about to chip!

Two or the 5-6 areas of ripples.

Glad I’m not interested in this title.

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Don’t let that stop you from buying a Wonka,you might get a perfect one.

It sounds like owners are saying it’s improved since 1.07 and there will be more updates

Wasn’t too impressed with the gameplay or theatrics.

It’s a easy pass for me.

Don't be a Panzer showing pic's of playfield before they start chipping saying it will chip

eh. its not as bad as you might think. better with the update and most of it starts to melt into the background once you get into the game.

but hey. making judgments and proclamations without even putting your hands on the game is the pinside way. so you keep doing you.

lol.

I watched a 1.07 stream...it's the same annoying WHIIIIIRRRRR and other canned cut 'n paste slot sounds. The way "OOM"...."PA"..."LOOM"..."PA" is broken up by switch hits is horrible. The guy who did the sound has made a career of doing apps and slot machines. He's not an experienced pinball sound designer. It's not conceived well or mixed properly. It's more like a Zen digital pinball app.

I was hoping for all the prospective owners that this issue would be corrected.

The bubbling and depth of the ridges is worse than what I saw on my POTC but you are correct, it isn’t chipped...YET!

But hey, newbs having zero standards and buying untested & unfinished machines for $10k is the new normal now. So you keep doing you. lulz

straight to the basic strawman. the true sign of winning at the internet.

i don't own the game. but i've played it more than you. so - you know - i have an opinion that actually matters in this case.

I didn't suck anyone in, when people make a comment like 'JJP' is a niche company, that deserves a rebuttal. Maybe you can explain it to me, why are there so many people on this website that no matter what great things JJP does, people will slander them, post fake comments, and just downright lie about them?

Do you have an answer. But on the other hand if you think Stern is not living up to their stature and you call them out the World has come to an end! I'm actually starting to wonder if people are paid to slander JJP. Because some of the comments are just so ridiculous you can't even believe it.

A 'niche' company doesn't license Toy Story, Wonka, Guns N Roses, and the entire thread in and of itself is almost like someone trying to steer you away from buying Wonka. What gives? Why the hostility towards the only company who's actually trying to innovate pinball. Why is that so bad?

I wouldn't buy standard edition if you plan on keeping the game in your home long term. I think JJP games are super detailed, so when you miss out on the powder coating, the extra features, you might finding yourself loving the game and wishing you had spent the extra few bucks.

I'm a big fan of Batman 66, but looking back I wish I had bought the LE so I could have the powder coating and the topper. So the other day I bit the bullet took off the legs and armor and sent it to the powder coating place.

I think the powder coating i'm putting on it will look better than what Stern choose for their LE. With that being said I still won't have the topper.

I bought a Topps cards with Adam West autograph, so got that, added tons of mods, sideblade art, now I'll have the powder coating.

Mine is going to look super nice but the point is why go thru all the hassle just buy an LE from jump. I'm a big fan of the willy wonka movies, and honestly I wouldn't ever sell ANY of my JJP games. So I'm not going to get an SE.

All of my JJP games are LE, love the powder coating and extra features.

I went to AYCE Gogi this weekend to play Oktoberfest and WW to see if either one was worthy of a spot in my small lineup. After playing a bunch of games on both machines(about 15/20 each)I came to the conclusion that WW was the winner of the two. I actually really wanted to like Oktoberfest but WW was so smooth and the music and callouts were good. It feels like DI(shooting)but has a lot more life than DI does IMO. I was also comparing the games because of the price points are almost the same. Overall both games looked pretty and lots of shots but Oktoberfest was a bit clunky on its shots. If you like Willy Wonka the movie then you will probably want this game(WW). I’m really thinking of WW now for a spot in my lineup, just a little sad for some reason I really thought Oktoberfest was my next game. I guess that’s why you should play before you pay.

Maybe the slots sound will grow on people like they do to addicted gamblers at the casino. We, as collectors, all have a similar problem...

My opinion on the horrible sound package being a detriment to enjoyment is valid. Sound design is very important in pinball, and pinball sound designers have been doing wonderful jobs with it since the 80's. App/slot machine type sound design is wrong for a physical pinball machine.

Good thing for me I've never played a Wonka slot machine so the game just sounds like the game.

again. if you read my initial post you'd note that i said the sounds sort of blend into the background as you are playing the game. this is something that you can't get from watching a stream in your pj pants and only happens when you are in the thick of the game focusing on actually playing well and making shots.

to instantly dismiss a game because you didn't like the sounds that you heard on a stream/video/etc while you weren't even playing the game is a bit premature at best.

sadly... its your loss because the game actually shoots like a champ and the audio really isn't that bad in the overall scope of things (note that i've never said the audio was OMG AMAZING - its passable at best).

So at best, the audio is "meh"? I'm still going to make the trip and see for myself. Have to say, my ONLY ding against my DILE is the sound package. Love David Thiel's work in general, but DI is lacking. The modes are monotone...seems like so much could have been done to create more drama.

yea overall it is kind of 'meh' which, in my opinion, is much better than having it be a deal-breaking slot machine level of annoyance. plus the more i played the game i started to tune out all of the audio that doesn't clue you in on something happening in the game (of which the audio does a great job once you learn all of the audio clues).

Dialed In definitely could use some more flash in the audio department. But I kind of like the little background theme song they have running through the game.

Not my loss at all. I’ve played 100s of pinball machines that “shoot like a champ”. I have no reason to force myself to play a game I don’t like. I’ve got other things to do.

Ah, cmon Greg play it you’ll like it!

apparently.

those 'things' seem to include downvoting posts on internet forums that slightly disagree or offer a contrary opinion to yours (even though you admittedly haven't played the game you are offering your 'opinion' on).

LOL. keep fighting the good fight my dude.

What then do you suggest I do on the shitter? This seems to pass the time until the last plop.

make a Dr's appointment with a GI specialist?

seems like you spend lots of time in the shitter.

TNA has spoiled me. How do I go from that majestic musical pinball journey to “Oomp. Ah. Loomp. WHIIRRRR”. Kill me.

If I find the time to wander over to Gogi, I’ll give it a go if I have time after trying BK3 & Shlocktoberfest first...won’t change my opinion of the ear destroying audio, though.

Honestly I’m just not motivated anymore by the new games.

Wow!! You're spot on with your criticism of the sound package. I just watched a video of the game play of WW and it sounds exactly like those annoying video slot machines. Its terrible!!!!! Otherwise, the game looks good , but that sound package is a deal breaker.

I have a healthy colon, what can I say! ...and it sounds better than Wonka lol

I dunno about dismissing the game, but sound is definitely a deal breaker for me if I don't like it. I can ignore bad art, but I just can't ignore bad sound. There's no "it blends into the game" for me.

Like, I bagged on the Wonka logo, because it deserved it. Someone did a real hack job on it, and that stuff bugs me. But it wouldn't stop me from buying the game. I wouldn't glance up at the backglass in the middle of a ball and sigh about the H and stop playing.

But you can't escape sound. I like to put game streams up on a second monitor and kinda half watch them while doing other stuff. I don't have the attention span to WATCH a pinball stream closely, if it's not like Bowen giving a lesson or some kind of competition where I'm invested in the outcome. New game like Maiden or Black Knight gets an announcement stream? Yeah, cool, put it on the second screen, half pay attention here and there, kinda get a sense for it all.

I tried that with Wonka. Couldn't do it, sound just rubbed me the wrong way. Closed the stream after a few minutes. If you dig how it sounds that's great, I honestly wish you happiness with your game. I'm sure JJP will sell however many to people who feel the same way. But if I were them I'd rethink where to go now that David Thiel is gone. That's a big hole to fill. Maybe the new guy can do it, I'm not trying to take personal shots at him, just take a different path next time.

I think all the tournament players with their headphones would disagree. But that is likely another topic altogether.

Again. I'm not saying that I 'dig' how it sounds. I'm saying that when actually playing the game... its nowhere as bad as I thought it would be from watching the streams of it. It all kind of blends into the background. Nowhere near as obnoxious as a video slot machine or anything like that.

Basically I'm just saying give it a chance and you may notice the same thing that I did.

I have played both WW and Octoberfest. I liked Octoberfest, but I'm not a fan of their CGI on screen, nor am I fan of the playfield art. I do think the game is fun, but the theme is confusing is it a beer drinking game, or a carnival or what? I think they went all out with the game, they added a lot of toys, and features, overall I think they did a good job. However I'm not in love with the price of $7400 and the game has no license. Whenever a game doesn't have a license its hard to find secondary buyers for the game. In other words lots of people here on pinside don't like Ghostbusters but it doesn't matter the casual guy on facebook will buy the game for their basement because they love Ghostbusters.

I think they should be selling their games without a license for about $6400.00 then I think they would have a ton more interest. The second you buy it and want to sell it you're going to be taking a $1500 shave. If you're not interested in a haircut to that level then you should wait until a used one comes up for sale. I think that company has a lot of potential if they embrace some movie licenses, I'd like to see them license Halloween or Friday the 13th... cheap license that would be able to move 750 games quickly.

As for Wonka that movie is a classic, you can't go wrong. I would say its the second most beloved Children's movie behind WOZ.

I hate the band Iron Maiden but still got the pin. I have already sold it because the sound would never go away. WW can get updates to help.

If you want to base an opinion on something you saw on the web I think that you could be mistaken. I own every single JJP game and the sound is second to no other pinball company. My Pirates you can get that so loud it would shatter the windows. The audio is based on the movie, so maybe you're not loving that and would prefer something hard nosed like Black Knight. Personally though I can't stand the audio from Black Knight its loud and just repeats itself over and over and over again. After a while you get a brain hemorrhage. As for Wonka, its the audio from the movie, its special to the movie, but would I rather hear the audio from Metallica ahhh yeah!

I think pinballs and rock pins work... I'd like to see more of them starting with Queen. Short of that all pinball games not tied to a band have pretty repetitive audio. But I doubt very seriously there is anything wrong with the sound equipment on a Wonka machine. If its the same as Pirates or any of the others I'm sure you'll be just fine, you just might not like the audio that is playing. Recorded for a stream, that can't be an indication of how good the audio is in person. At Midwest Gaming Classic you couldn't even hear the audio it was so loud. You need to see and hear it yourself in person.

I think in the case of Oktoberfest API is banking on the fact that there are hundreds of breweries/barcades that would love to have a beer-themed machine. Its probably the safest bet on a 'non licensed' theme from that perspective.

However... I do think API should have given owners some way to integrate their brand into the backglass of the game. Like a little spot where a transparent overlay logo of the brewery/barcade/etc could be placed on the keg that is on the backglass. Seems like such a simple option that would really make the machine feel like a custom build to a vast majority of people that step up to the game.

I personally love the sound for DI. When I play, it feels (key word) like it's a day-in-the-life at Quantum City. Then you get some good alternate music in the modes and multiballs. EMP and Quantum Chaos come to mind. I also like that the music speeds up with progression. I find that the music and sounds are not there for the sake of music and sounds. They are purposely the way they are for integration. Theil worked with what he had and did a great job and JJP should be concerned that they no longer have him.

LOL but will it

cripes. put on some headphones and enjoy one of the best layouts and code bases we've seen in awhile.

Lol my point is if people can get past Iron Maiden music, they can get past the same on Wonka.

Personally I hate the sound of both WOZ and Wonka love the sound of BK Stern I can't imagine someone liking both sound package styles of BK Stern and Wonka

Still on the crusade duh

Pinball is a game with an audio visual immersive experience. I can’t imagine wearing headphones while playing pinball. Why not go watch movies with blindfolds?

Of course you do. Wonka will get there. If you don’t like the movies, you won’t like the sounds from these games.

That’s not the issue. The issue is lame music compositions by the sound designer, and the way the clips sound very cut & paste & not mixed well.

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. Play or watch a video of Stern Family Guy...excellent sound package by David Theil. Then, check out Zen’s digital pinball table of Family Guy, a different and original creation of their own...listen to that sound package vs. Theil’s. It’s hard to put into words, but there’s just a massive difference in approach and artistry between the masters like Theil & those who work in apps/slots.

Not every game will please everyone. That includes artwork, playfield layout, sound, music, code, etc... If you guys don’t like it, don’t buy it. Does not matter one way or another. I like Williams, Bally and JJP. That’s all I got to say about that. Oh one more thing, JJP will make it thru 2020.

Hell, it might be 2020 before I get done reading some of these posts!

yes it is. the complete package is ideal and in a fantasy world each game would be a grand slam in terms of theme integration, music, gameplay, code, etc.

but its also possible to enjoy playing a game with your own music. especially if the one thing keeping a person away from enjoying a great game is a theme/music they don't subjectively like. or if its a game you've played to death and don't need to really hear the audio to know what is going on.