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Will JJP make more POTC?

By Nokoro

4 years ago


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“Will JJP make more?”

  • Yes, more LEs 66 votes
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  • Yes, more SEs 23 votes
    4%
  • Yes, more SEs and LEs 82 votes
    14%
  • Yes, some other version 148 votes
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  • No, they are done. 273 votes
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#1079 3 years ago
Quoted from Goronic:

Are you saying that there is no need to create more JJP POTC machines because they are currently easy to find if you want one?

Simple economics. Used Pirates LE selling $12,500-$15,000. New Pirates LE special edition could sell for $11,500. Only question is demand. I can tell you that I would be an immediate buyer.

#1082 3 years ago
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

I agree. In addition to it possibly (probably) not being an economically sound move to make, I would add that churning out more versions of POTC the way they did with WOZ will only diminish the stature of the game...rather like whoring it out. Given all the headaches they had with this game in rolling it out, it was a long road to get POTC to this point where it is both desired and well-respected. Pumping out more re-issues would only decrease its esteemed reputation. Plus, I'd hate to see JJP go backwards, constantly churning out re-issues, etc. They make great games and are developing a great reputation. I'd like to see them focus on putting out new, fresh product. Lord knows there are enough cool titles out there that have yet to be tapped. Don't go backward, JJP. Go forward - always forward to new and even better innovations and themes. That's the way to keep people excited about your company.

Just depends on economics. If it was profitable to make and sell LEs at $9,500 and it is still profitable to do so at $9,500, a limited initial run of 200 units would probably quickly sell out at $11,500 given where used ones are selling.

#1087 3 years ago
Quoted from LesManley:

Right. JJP is now selling the WOZ YBR version for $11.5 with a stripped out monkey mech. WOZ was originally $6,500 for early adapters and now that price has essentially doubled for WOZ and you get less for it. If, and that is a big if, they do another run of Pirates there is 0 chance that the price on it will be $9,500 as it was originally and there is a decent chance that they remove a feature for price/reliability purposes.
With all the distancing Disney is doing from Johnny Depp, even after it seems the abuse allegations were fabricated, and apparently moving forward with Margot Robbie as the lead character in future Pirates movies, I seriously doubt if Disney would license more pins with his mug all over them anyway at this point.

I truly don’t know anything about how pinball licensing works. However, wouldn’t the original license most likely cover a few years to give them flexibility for sales? I know it’s Disney but would Disney really limit it to a couple years?

#1089 3 years ago
Quoted from LesManley:

I don't either, but Disney is pretty powerful. I believe the license was for 3 years, who knows when that time started or if that is totally accurate. Even if JJP technically *could* re-release more Pirates, if Disney says that they would rather they not do it I'm sure JJP would listen. If Disney came back and said go ahead, you *could* make more...but we rather you don't and if you do we probably won't be as willing to deal with you in the future, I would doubt they would want to risk that relationship. Kinda like the wife telling you, "Go ahead, go out with your friends..." She is technically giving you approval, but you know that is not what she is saying and that it isn't going to end there.

That actually makes a lot of sense if that is Disney’s position and if a future pin is a Disney product!

#1093 3 years ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Well, licensing is never a "maybe you can / maybe you can't" kind of deal (especially with Disney). I'm sure that JJP got POTC for a specific "window" that has likely already expired. Yes, they can try to negotiate an extension or such, but it will likely cost a lot (and Disney could easily be in a "we're-still-trying-to-decide-where-we-are-going-with-this-property" mode, and say "not right now").
It also could be that as a re-make, the reasonable number of units they could sell would be like 500. This means that the licensing cost has to be spread across only those units - making them very expensive.
So, it could easily be the case that JJP might WANT to make more POTC, but be unable to either because Disney won't allow the licensing, or that the cost of the license is just too high for a relatively small run of machines.
Now, what I COULD see happening is Disney licensing a "new" POTC property (i.e. with Margot Robbie instead of Depp) when/if the next movie becomes more solidified - and maybe at that point JJP could release an updated version with new artwork/audio that utilizes that new license. But that would likely be a ways off.

The window has likely expired? How do you know?

#1111 3 years ago
Quoted from BC_Gambit:

FWIW I am an owner, figured a rerun was inevitable but still felt the game was well worth keeping; it has been my most played game since I have had it (now around 1 and a quarter years). Dialed-In gets a similar amount of play, just the games on Dialed In are often shorter.
I guess I lucked out in that my Pirates seems fine; no big unfixable drama. Playfield seems okay.
Bottom line is after looking at things develop I would be surprised if they end up doing another run now, and if they do it certainly won't be for $9500. That would be like expecting them to rerun WoZ for $6500 at this point. I mean really!
Anything is possible, but if licensing expired, even getting however many actors to sign off again and pay them again would be big barrier compared to rerunning something like ACDC where in theory you are just negotiating the agreement with a band representative. Not 23 different representatives...

I wouldn’t bet on license expiration. COVID could toll some of those time periods and even if the contract isn’t explicit, there could be some reasonable understanding coming from Disney given the circumstances.

#1114 3 years ago
Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

Not how licensing works though.

How so? Only hard and fast time periods with no force majeure clauses that could explicitly cover or implicitly cover time periods in which a business is shutdown by the government? Just asking as I don’t know.

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