I wouldn't doubt it gets remade at some point in the future with JJPs history of re-releases, but I think there is just about 0 chance it is re-released at a $8500 / $9500 price point. It wasn't worth it to them to continue to sell the game at those price points before and they would be leaving a lot of money at the table for a re-release if they did and they know that. If it is re-released it will be a new "limited" version around the WOZYBR price point, that's really the only way it makes sense for them to go back to that well, especially with GNR backed up and the next game farther along because of the delay and a factory move, not to mention a pandemic that has shut everything down for the immediate future and has the economy in questionable status at best. Plus the game was a PITA for them to produce, expensive and they don't have the parts to make more. That all costs money and JJP needs money, especially now. They aren't going back to the Pirates well for status quo dollars that they deemed weren't acceptable in good times when they have new titles they need to sell as soon as things open back up.

I have a Pirates, but I paid less than NIB pricing for mine, so I don't care if they are re-released from a financial standpoint. From a pinball lovers perspective, I would like to see people have a chance to see how awesome the game really is and would love to have parts available to buy in the future too.

If someone wants a JJP Pirates now they should jump on this and save themselves $3,000 over an LE. Not often you see a JJP Pirates for under $10k.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-pirates-of-the-caribbean-se-hou

Maybe. Look at a game like Tron. Super basic, low BOM and the resale market is ridiculous for it. Stern could have re-run that multiples times by now and sold lots of them, way more than a GOT or third time around AC/DC vault but they haven't. Why? Disney Licensing (same as Pirates)? Something else? There has to be a reason because the cash is just sitting there and is currently being collected by everyone who sells a "modded Pro" for crazy dollars now a days. I can understand not doing LOTR since it is the Whitestar board set and has a bigger BOM, but Tron is an absolute no brainer. Disney even has the Tron coaster coming out next year at WDW so they should have at least some motivation to pump the license if given the opportunity, yet everyone waiting for that re-run is still waiting.

Eric also mentioned in his last stream that that was the reason that Sao Feng isn't in the game at all despite being a bigger character than say Marty or Scrum. He said that Chow Yun-Fat wouldn't allow it no matter what, dollars didn't matter so it was a no go. I can't imagine having to deal with the rights and agents for 22 different actors who all have different dollar requirements and/or expectations for something like this.

The reason that Pirates SE didn't sell instantly is he wanted a local buyer, cash on the glass. That eliminates a huge percentage of buyers that aren't local and/or that don't have $9,500 cash accessible without putting it on a credit card through Paypal. He said he had 15 offers to ship the game and some even for more than asking price, but didn't want to ship. All that said, it still sold in under a week to the specific kind of buyer he was looking for. I wouldn't consider that "taking a while to sell".

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If this is true, probably doesn't bode well for more JJP Pirates from a Disney perspective. Looks like Johnny Depp is still out...

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1139941-christina-hodson-margot-robbie-reunite-for-new-pirates-of-the-caribbean

Right. JJP is now selling the WOZ YBR version for $11.5 with a stripped out monkey mech. WOZ was originally $6,500 for early adapters and now that price has almost doubled for WOZ in 7 years and now you get less for it. If, and that is a big if, they do another run of Pirates there is 0 chance that the price on it will be $9,500 as it was originally and there is a decent chance that they remove a feature for price/reliability purposes.

With all the distancing Disney is doing from Johnny Depp, even after it seems the abuse allegations were fabricated, and apparently moving forward with Margot Robbie as the lead character in future Pirates movies, I seriously doubt if Disney would license more pins with his mug all over them anyway at this point.

I don't either, but Disney is pretty powerful. I believe the license was for 3 years, who knows when that time started or if that is totally accurate. Even if JJP technically *could* re-release more Pirates, if Disney says that they would rather they not do it I'm sure JJP would listen. If Disney came back and said go ahead, you *could* make more...but we rather you don't and if you do we probably won't be as willing to deal with you in the future, I would doubt they would want to risk that relationship. Kinda like the wife telling you, "Go ahead, go out with your friends..." She is technically giving you approval, but you know that is not what she is saying and that it isn't going to end there.

Monster Bash and the universal monsters would be the one that comes to mind as you said. I guess if there is a second story about difficult licensing that comes to mind, it would be for JJP Pirates. Apparently in addition to negotiating with Disney they had to talk to each of the individual actors agents and get approval from them. That's why the mode scenes don't show any of the actor's faces or their audio and that's why Sao Feng played by the actor Chow Yun Fat isn't even in the game because he wouldn't allow it at any price.

I don't care if they re-run them, I didn't pay a premium for mine and I am not selling mine either. I've got my spare NOS playfield, mini playfield, boat motor, plastics set, decal set, ramp decal set and cabinet decal set. I could practically build another game at this point. I'm in it for the long haul.

I honestly think there has to be a good reason why they stopped production and haven't done or even announced a re-run yet. Same situation with Stern and Tron. The BOM on that game is nothing. Pros go for crazy money for that stripped down game and they could make a bunch for cheap and sell them...but they don't. They know they could so there has to be another reason. Is it out of their control? Both are Disney properties that Disney isn't super hot on right now, is that the reason or is it something else? Who knows...

What part were you picking up? I think I have bought every part that was...and some that weren't publicly available. If it exists and I don't have it, I would be interested in potentially grabbing one too.

It isn't that complicated. He was just agreeing to take the bet that a new JJP game would be released by the end of the year with that gif. He obviously has insider knowledge so it's a safe bet that a new JJP game is revealed by the end of the year now or he's out $100. The bet terms were, "$100 says no new title..." so if it was POTC he would lose the bet as POTC isn't new...so it isn't that game. Using the Barbossa gif was just a fun way to do it with hopefully a nod to the code update being announced soon as well.

Keith was agreeing to the bet, taking the opposite stance of smalltownguy2. As an employee of JJP, if Keith knew that no new games were going to be released this year, he would never publicly say that, especially on a pinball forum. He would catch hell from JJP for a move like that.

The previous post was this...and then people were lining up to take that bet.
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It's just people cashing in for crazy money if they can. A handful of Pinside people crazy enough to drop $20k on a JJP POTC is not reason enough to re-run the game. They just had to do a price increase to quell demand and hold deposits for GNR since they are so backed up, they have their hands full already. No way they intentionally slow down a hit game with full buy in from the GNR that they have on the line and all the parts for, to instead restart a complicated, widebody game (which they don't do anymore) with unique parts, an expensive BOM and a now out of the mainstream theme that features an actor that is persona non-grata at Disney. Not to mention Toy Story is right around the corner which will consume them again when it is launched.

They want to get to that point, but I don't think they are there yet. With Covid throwing a wrench in everything and their move, they can't keep up on a single line. If they could ramp up two production lines, they could run GNR on both to reduce the several month wait time. With Toy Story around the corner and demand so backed up on GNR there isn't any room for a one off, especially a one off that breaks the mold in so many ways like POTC does. Outside of the pinball fanatics, the general public doesn't care about a POTC pin, they already proved that years ago when the property was more current than it is now and sales were lackluster. It wouldn't sell in mass quantity to the public and I don't think several Pinsiders with deep pockets is enough to drop a hot game and/or your next title on deck and go back to a widebody pin with all the issues, parts, licensing woes and lackluster sales that they had before no matter how good the game actually is. Not to mention the Disney POTC property as we know it with Johnny Depp and Jack Sparrow is dead in the water now, they want nothing to do with him anymore. Even if they could do another round of POTC with their current license, I doubt Disney would be super excited about that all things considered and with Toy Story next up, I'm not sure how much they would want to rock the boat with Disney since they own that property too.