How about $11,000?

Even 10K is on the high side for me. If JJP can't make LE's for less than 10 thousand bucks (POTC or any other pin in the near future) I am not going to be a NIB JJP customer - and will have to go to second hand

But that's ok...I may not be their target audience if that is the case.

I could do standards - but I won't...

Le with shipping has been near 10k ....if u have taxes then its even more. Good news is there is very affordable se version usually with just cosmetic differences.

At some point the states are going to catch up with collecting taxes....I totally agree that their pricing is over the top, but I think its wishful thinking they'll keep the price the same....their not gonna leave $ on the table

Here's a bedroom use only game! Let's see who really wants one..

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/96043

Someone's gonna get a great game

Whole family loves the game...low plays.

Whole family loves it so much we are selling it!

Sheesh 15k and he wants extra for the spare (good) playfield... ouch!

I want to warn everyone that I am feeling old and cranky right now so bear with me. The way I read this thread is that there is a group of owners that do not want this game remade. Then there is a group that do want it made but at an acceptable price. Then there is me. Game looks fun but even the lowest price mentioned is still too damn high. Arrrghh

Yes! Just because the whole family loves the game doesn't mean we play all day. You guys crack me up with all the speculation and for your information, this baby is all but sold and still have 5 guys in line.

Yes they will

Well here's the good news....u don't have to read this thread nor fork out any cash for the game...all good

Some people go crazy playing games (god bless them)....my LE has 161 plays so yes they sometime sit around for weeks prior to turning them on

Exactly

That would probably be the case, if there was 50 games or so made, but there are a thousand.
If they make more, the chance of ending up with a game that cant be played, due to lack of spare parts diminshes.

I would guess that is pretty accurate for many.

I am more in the 'give me a std for even less and remove some of the stupid stuff I dont need to bring down price'.

Uh oh Whysnow

Another LE sold at 15k. Less then a day.

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/96043

Now how are you going to spin this one? Haha. Someone get this man some crow.

People seem to forgot how the first excitement for this game dwindled after price announced and features removed. You don't think this will happen again? Everyone has their limit and strings attached when claiming they will buy one. Plus, easy to say anything with no money on the line. People had their chance to buy and they didn't. For every person now buying there is someone selling. JJP needs to get new titles out the door. You can count the number of titles they have done with one hand.

Why did the 9500 se take so long to sell? How much and to whom did the 15k one sell to? There are more questions than answers at this point.

SE is why. Collectors want LE's (although that will be sold too....)

How much = 15k
To whom = a person

It's very simple. The LE mods (Covid?) market has spoken. You either listen to it or you end up being wrong.

Everything else is CNN.

you seem to be confused by "asking" price and what something sells for in this hobby?

granted, it is possible the final sale price really is 15k. No spin needed here. This is another data point. You first need to evaluate the value of that specific data point. Is it real? is it accuate? is it an anomaly or identifying a trend?

Data is limited on this game due to limited sales overall.
We know that they are readily available and supply is high. With multiple for sale each week, they are changing hands.
The super high end market is hard to fully predict and I am also hard pressed to believe high sales without more data to back them up. Unfortunately there are both bad actors and there are some real sales but driven by a different type of person than the average collector. For some, $$$ is really nothing at this level and those people tend to buy in at any price. Is that the reality of JJP POTC? I would not assume that without a few more sales and the 9500 SE seems to indicate differently or at least the bimodal demand for the options on opposite ends of the spectrum.

-Took days to put up several crappy pics until his girlfriend was around
-Many scared off by unfixed pooling
-Standard just doesn’t appeal to collectors that are the main market for this or any $10k+ game
-Seller won’t ship - the collector community in SC/GA/NC for high end pins isn’t that big. An LE just sold quickly in the area for $12.5ish.

More indication IMO that the market for this game is deep but not broad.

Who cares who bought the game...the point is a great game with multiple nice mods sold for $15K...pretty simple....

No speculation. I restated what you said in your for sale ad. I just find it funny how the two contradict each other. Glad you got your asking price. Now you can buy several more games that your family loves....to stare at.

161 plays?! How long have you owned it for? I love how you say people are crazy for playing a game they spent 10K for but the people that don't play them are not. That is a good one!

I'm not going to speak for the seller but let's just say I'm not just reading the ad and seeing the sale pending and concluding. Game sold @15k.

SEs are not LEs - although I will be the first to tell you if that POTC was in Pittsburgh, it would be at my house. No game to me is worth 15k. Pirates at 9.5? Yeah, I'll buy it.

Market is hot right now for this game. Could it be temporary? Maybe. Does it mostly impact LE? Yes. Should the crusade of telling people POTC LE is only being price pumped by it's owners stop? Yes, unless you want to continue being wrong.

Will JJP make more POTC? I'm torn on this one. My gut says no but my brain says yes. How could you not. With the dev and coder asking folks to talk to your distributor - that def gives me hope it will b/c if they knew it was impossible for them to do (based on Disney) it would be a dick move on their part and those guys are not dicks. If it was not being done due to spin up costs on JJP end, then that would make sense why these two are asking for folks to help.

We'll see. I think right now there are no plans but enough people ask for it, the game will be made. It will DEF not be offered at 9.5 (imo). Jack's YBR edition is the proof why.

I actually didn't mean it in a bad way (crazy in a good way)....some people put thousands of games on their pins in just a few months (I wish I had the time)....with all my kids running around its just not reality on my end. I've had mine for almost a year....my 4 year old MMRLE only has than 200 plays.....

I think a large group of owners want the game remade. I feel like a small handful of people have poor reading comprehension (not directed at you). Just because owners say they don't think the game will be remade doesn't mean they don't want it to be remade. Those are two separate thoughts. My issue is when whysnow claim as fact that they will be remade, that it will be the same price as before, that JJP is positioning themselves to make more POTC and we just need to contact our distributors to get on a list. And when anyone that owns the game challenges him, he says we don't want it remade and we are just trying to protect the value of our overpriced games that we price pump.

No worries. I was just busting stones. I wish I had room for more pins so I can spread plays across them.

$15k seriously? I hope Jonny Depp would deliver and set up for that price.

I just sold SM, Tspp and Tron for $17k combined that’s not far off for just one pin.

Just one month ago perfect HUO LE's with mods were taking a while to sell at $12k but prices have gone up $2k - $3k since then?! I don't understand such a big jump but I guess game location and maybe people having so much time at home is having something to do with it.

Really no different than when MM, MB and CC were going for similar prices. A top 5 game in short supply.

this is flat out the largest pump and dump I have ever seen from owners.

Some of the same guys that have been hyping for a while are the ones going up for sale.
Reality is that months of games at 12-12.5k sitting prior to sell are not wrong by 2 claimed sales in the past week at 15k of LEs and SEs taking a while to sell at 9.5k.

Pumpers will naturally latch on to the hype and try to drive the FOMO to grab 15k sale prices and then buy once remade.

I find it transparent and sad (but predictable)

For what it's worth (read: nothing basically), as an owner, I would certainly like to see them remake the game. Because: PARTS! Eventually these games will break down and we don't want an Alien/TBL fiasco. Even if this imaginary desire for owners to see the price shoot up double was real, the game will drop like a rock if they start breaking and parts aren't available. Not everything in this game is off-the-shelf Williams stuff.

Lots of games that are high priced and have parts that are impossible to get. Lack of parts won’t make it any cheaper.

Owners don't need to pump the game as it does that on its own....for myself would I sell my game?...possibly because it doesn't get played very much due to time constraints....

Don’t know, I think R&M is giving it a run for the money.

POTC seems like normal supply & demand. There’s plenty of honest discussion out there from owners about issues with assembly quality, unique & complex rule set, lack of movie assets, etc. Combined with all the gameplay videos, plenty of info to make an informed decision before dropping so much money.

The reason that Pirates SE didn't sell instantly is he wanted a local buyer, cash on the glass. That eliminates a huge percentage of buyers that aren't local and/or that don't have $9,500 cash accessible without putting it on a credit card through Paypal. He said he had 15 offers to ship the game and some even for more than asking price, but didn't want to ship. All that said, it still sold in under a week to the specific kind of buyer he was looking for. I wouldn't consider that "taking a while to sell".

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Whysnow - Always identify yourself before accusing Pinsiders of price pumping.

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Remember many of the higher priced potcle are loaded with awesome mods and some that were very limited and lots of folks want on their pins So stock low play huo potc selling for 12-12.5 . Then you have 1-2k in great upgrades and some very special low production mods that many will just pay alot extra for. I was offered 550 for my new hms endeavour mod that's in the mail as we speak. So I can see why some potc are getting 14-15k . Then you have all this installed plus cliffys and stuff that are a pain in the butt to add...so that's a huge factor also. I cld see it having another run but not anytime soon unfortunately.... need to get threw this virus crap and jjp move and setup. Then get some of the new pins out the gate and then if demand is still there do a run of 500 or so. But I have a feeling many will be hesitant spending 10k+ on anything bc of the unknown state of the economy . Gonna be interesting when things get rolling again with nib pins..... guess will see how things go.

How many people deeply discount a game after 6 hours on the market?

I guess it's possible...

Dude, you do this for every single game you own!!! You are the WORST price pumper on Pinside by a long shot. If you had this game you would be trying to convince everyone that it's a 15k pin. My God, I hope people can see through your shit by now.

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posts like this don't help the price. they are members here!

I want all the JJPs, but at this rate maybe I won't get to unless I win the lottery lol.

You would have to assume JJP staff are super stupid to not look at the pricing demands on their used pins. I don't think acknowledging this would really move the needle.

Now there is some value in having a game or two in your catalogue that is rare and is in demand. That can drive future sales due to FOMO on missing the next hot thing. Filling demand for that game can make some bucks. But there is an intangible benefit from the FOMO effect.

Stern rode that hard after Tron LE and ACDC LE prices spiked. They sold so many LEs of relatively subpar games after that due to FOMO.

American Pinball games are just as "packed" for $6k-$7k. The remakes and Alice Cooper are also a solid value in the $6k range. There is no "value all day" at $11.5k. That's a splurge, plain and simple.

Gonna have to agree about AP games. I don’t have ACNC but it is definitely trending in the right direction. Nothing has yet compared to the Black Pearl mini playfield and the firing of the cannon.

I hope they make more. Then maybe the price would go down a bit and i could afford one (if i sell a kidney, that is)