I dont think of it as jerking anyone around...

"I know no details, but I would be happy to put your name and email on the list and will be telling JJP how many verbal commitments I have" seems easy and smart to do.

Not letting anyone down, clear communication, and keeps your irons hot.

Distributors are the public link to manufacturers. Seems logical if you are getting tons of calls to do something with that info and be prepared to take sales if/when they announce. Esp given what was said on stream. Nobody but those at JJP know for real, but sure seems this is them fishing to get a better idea of real world demand. If I was in pinball sales, I would be doing all I can right now to keep contact with my customers and also influence manufacturers if/when I see real demand for a product.

Where's my Harry Potter Joe?
Please put me down for Harry Potter JJP wait list.
Better yet, Joe I have Jacks number on my phone, we can 3 way talk about the move to chicago during covid, loosing employees, delay getting playfields right. Then we can laugh about how long before we can even have a show again to display the New game.
More and more looking like expo is a dream in oct too.
Hey, no one more than Me wants JJP to succeed and build more games. But realistically gang, 2020 as we inch towards june is becoming a wash.

There’s clearly demand for more JJP Pirates. It’s really not rocket science to make a second run and not risk a loss.

Like others have said, open preorders of X units at Y price. Require a deposit which covers the BOM or close to it. Make deposit non-refundable once preorders cross a certain threshold. YBR WOZ seemed like a silly production gamble given the price hike/lack of monkey and unknown level of customer interest.

Time for them to change their rerun model. CPR follows a similar model: no playfield runs until there is sufficient interest with cash deposited.

Same story here - scratched backglass... AND my shooter lane wireform is messed up making skill shots entirely random. Apparently this was a common issue and JJP shipped all backups to other owners... But thanks to successful experiments from zaphX and Yelobird , I just bought a set of metal files...

It's CRAZY but I'm getting better support from Dutch Pinball. Seriously.

There's no room for logical thinking in this thread. Just sign up for the imaginary list and then Jack will snap his fingers and 500 POTC LEs at the original price of 9500 will magically appear.

there you have it folks...

confirmed by Palmer! Sweet and excited!

In MY perfect world, we'd see a professional (rehearsed, produced) launch video showcasing the new GNR game features and selling points.
They'd ask for questions. THEN, we'd get a live stream with Eric and Joe and Keefer (good players!) showing how it's played AND answering FAQ.
THEN take my deposit money.

You seem to have all the answers for Joe and how he should run his business. You should buy it from him and become a distributor.

Whats the BOM on POTC LE? lets say its $3-$4K per game....if they were going to do another run of 500 games they would have to shell out $1.5-$2M in cash + labor on building the games....its probably $3-4M to get 500 games out the door. Thats a lot of working capital that they can allocate towards future titles (even if you took big down payments). Selling another 500 POTC LE's isn't gonna get them in the black...they need a couple massive new titles to turn this burning ship around. When you can't even support existing customers with spare parts clearly theres a cash problem ...

Ive yet to, ever, seen a well produced launch and reveal. All reveals should have some pazaz, excitement.
With zoom and live stream, yes maybe as we get just a little closer to expo and see. Lets also see how this slow ramp up to states relaxing restrictions and getting open helps Jack out to. Still have to finish setting up Chicago.

Hilton - No I get it all - My initial post said JJP is well aware - trust me we've been telling them weekly / monthly we could sell 100's of POTCs and WOZ75th, etc... Your point is well taken... From where I sit I know this horse has been beat to the company is all which you guys don't see - there is no need to tell them, they know. Not arguing with you just trying to state we've been doing just that. Maybe 'fishing' is a good term - but I think they know people want POTC - like I said maybe it was an innocent slip / excitement foretelling of things to come ? Who knows...

Be well bro !

They will make more after the move and when things settle down. Everything right now is on hold until production starts back up. Patience is the key.

Agree. If they are financial able (and I bet they are to be honest) they will do at least one more run of POTC

The fact that they can't store spare parts tells me just the opposite.....

If JJP is strapped for cash, they should spend all available money purchasing parts for GnR, to be ready for building them, once they are allowed to reopen. Should that go well, they can shift their attention to building more JJPOTC, followed by the balance of GnR’s. There is no rush needed now to grab names. Hoping we see GnR later this year.

If you want a JJPOTC, it is probably best to buy an existing HUO one now. That means spending the bucks. The market currently requires a $3k to $5k premium. Not unlike the $2k to $3k premium that a R&M takes to pry one out of someone’s hands. The premium is 1) to guarantee you will get one and 2) to get it you soon.

If someone wants a JJP Pirates now they should jump on this and save themselves $3,000 over an LE. Not often you see a JJP Pirates for under $10k.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-pirates-of-the-caribbean-se-hou

Gotta love the owners all pumping the shit outta this. Lol

The game pumps itself....owners have jack shit to do with it

Pumping sales at 15k. Yeah, that is pumping.

Holy shit......the amount of patience you have to have as a distributor to not want to rip the head off of misguided pinsiders is absolutely remarkable.

Joe that is impressive.

I get that your upset that you weren't in on the original buy....I don't blame u....games sell for what their worth, and if that game is never made again no telling what it will be worth

I mean look at TBL...its a fun game, but not in the same league as POTC yet sales have been as high as $20K....its crazy, but some people are willing to pay up for a game ! I wouldn't do it, but some will

Joe and I are friends. I think you are the misguided one.

Actually I was in on original buy but passed and glad I did. After the pf issues on that era of JJP, I was happy to have dodged that bullet.
I completely understand market and it is clearly at 12-12.5 currently on the loaded examples. Pumping is guys like you claiming 15k for POTC or 20k for TBL (those are clearly at 14-15k NIB right now with more being built every day).

Granted you a pretty much a LE only guy that gets NIb games so your pinball perspective is pretty limited and squarely in the 2010 fwd category. I mean... can we really trust the opinion of someone that does not even own a bally?

...which is why the current owners are dying for this to not get remade! Selfishness.

Naw Brian… I get the excitement and trust me we LOVE that... just trying to be grounded is all. Maybe something IS afoot - just saying I don't know that and no reason to starting pumping it up collecting names as a distributor then we're part of the problem with false hype. If something is announced people know where to go to buy and I'll collect all your names and fingerprints then. LOL. Part of the reason I don't like seeing this is I had people emailing me saying 'I'm going to start putting money aside, I'm going to sell this or that so I'm ready, etc...' Not cool to lead people to do that sort of stuff, especially now with everything going on. Keep the faith folks - I have hopes re-runs could certainly be part of the plan for the larger Chicago factory when that's up and running.

Yes - I love Hilton... He does MUCH good for his pinball community in WI... We just bantering, it's all good fun, that's all... : )~

Haha yeah I get it. I agree with then way you handle it though. If not, why not take orders for any theme out there.

To help Hilton, I think his point is it’s only helpful to have some mechanism to alert JJP of the demand out there b/c it’s there no doubt. I hope there is a rerun. I don’t expect one though. Take it easy.

At this point I don't see how JJP doesn't make more Pirates. They need a game that they know has demand and will sell. That's Pirates. All they need to do is complete the code, and put a cool trailer out to relaunch the game. All of the work is done with Pirates versus a new game that requires probably a $1 million + to launch. Seems like a no brainer for a company to make more if you want to make a profit.

we need new games like Eircs GNS and toy story to come out first. I predict pirates will be out sometime after new games get out and production gets going again. I think the people in this form is a small group compared to how many would buy a new title. Another run would sell and they know that but a new game will sell more units and they need to show the world what they got that is new and exciting and make reruns in between so to speak. It's fun speculating on what JJP will do but I personally want them to succeed and be around 10 years from now, and if it was my company I would stay ahead of all the new companies and get new titles out to keep the masses interested in their product. I really hope the move to Chicago helps get their production up so we see more titles and reruns of Pirates.

yup ECLE blows ruby red out of the water on looks.

This topic is hilarious

Yep...hi lights the old saying people always want what they can’t get. It’s true and we are all guilty of it at some point.

I’ll play devils advocate here, what happens when JJP decides to make say 500-750 more and all of a sudden around the same time Stern, American, Spooky...name you mfg’s... come out with some other kick ass new dream theme with a new layout?
These babies may not sell as quick at 12k then.

Not as simple as saying fire up the line and order parts for another 500 units.

Would be nice to see it happen but I’m not holding my breath, JJP needs to move on.

And set a price that makes them enough money....
And sell enough volume to make the title worth it verse an alternative...

The existing sales helps the hype... but also beats yourself on the potential sales volume... as does the necessary price point.

If you had another game that had more margin, could sell more without competing against itself... then it would make more sense to build THAT game... not pirates.

And that's how we Got wonka....

If you believe in the success of your newer game... pirates is not an attractive proposition. It is however if you don't have something You Think will succeed

Why? You already have one...

Why what? It’s a great game, in a perfect world there should be more. I’m guessing your saying I shouldn’t have an opinion though since I already have one. Real nice.

No, you certainly should have an opinion on it. I was just wondering why you wanted them to rerun it if you already had one. But you want more for others to enjoy. Thanks!

They don’t sell quickly at 12k now and nobody is asking for that (it won’t be the price when they remake then anyway).

They will be 9500 or less...

And what happens then? They easily sell 500 of them at 9500 regardless of what other dream theme pops up.

Can’t see that happening but since this thread is a pipe dream anyhow maybe we should try to will them into making them even lower than $9500.

I have one as well and I hope they remake the game. I'd actually like to see JJP have spare parts....my opinion is they probably won't because they don't have the financial capital to pull it off....JJP has known for a year what a hit this game is and they haven't done squat about it. They don't even stock spare parts so thats clearly not a great sign.

Spare parts being out of stock is very worrisome for sure. Really a shame, like Joe has said they have been asking JJP for more POTC and WOZRRs for a while now (and I'll bet many other distributors have been as well). Sounds bad that they can't make more POTC after making so few in the first place and having so much demand for it. Really hoping JJP can get this turned around.

Seems like a couple LE’s just sold quickly within the last week for $12.5+ on here. No doubt that some current owners of POTC and every other game price pump, but you seem to be working really hard to pump down the price.

Nah, there are owners in the past page posting what they actually sold for. 12k after a month of being advertised is pretty common. Just the reality.

What someone asks is rarely the sale price.

Seems most are asking 12.5 or more.
Appears they are selling at 12 or less after time on the market. Reality of all high priced new games it they always go down over time.

It really just depends on geographic area, game condition, upgrades, and game plays....I know several that are loaded with almost every mod out there and have sold for $15K....I'm sure some have sold for less than $12K that have no mods, and a shit load of game plays....its a case by case basis....

He’ll start pumping once he gets one. But until then he accuses everyone of pumping. That’s how whysnow rolls.

He has no clue what games have actually sold for since he doesn't own one and probably never will....

Just saying I sold a perfect low play HUO LE with around $300 in mods for $12k literally one month ago. I had it up for sale for 2 weeks on here at $12.5k and no bites. Zach from SDTM sold his HUO low play super loaded LE for $12k maybe 6 weeks back, it was up on here over a month at $13k originally.

Around $12k for an HUO LE seems to be the normal price unless the game has now gone up in value $2k-$3k more in less then a month. Hell maybe it has, who knows. If that's the case I wish I would have waited to sell! It wouldn't surprise me as the game is one of the best but that still seems like a big jump in a short amount of time.

I won't lie, I do regret selling it a bit. If anyone really enjoys the game I say keep it versus taking the profit as theres a chance you may never be able to get another one.

I don't understand the desire to sell, given both it's excellence and "rarity"/demand. It's just too damn good a game, and one of the best modern examples of how packed games from 30 years ago used to be.

Thx for sharing. Appreciate when people set the pumpers straight with some actual facts. Good advice also.

You're becoming the CNN of Pinball.

Let me provide some facts about the current potc market. Current is the operative word.

I put mine up to test the market. I wasn't selling for 12k, 13k, 14k or even 14.5k. I needed 15k no less. Otherwise I'm keeping it.

Game sold in less than 24 hours and I have two guys behind him.

Could be COVID boredom but the market has spoken.

Ok continue speculating about pirates....I just had to drop in some facts. Cheers