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Will BBB be remade.... Again!

By Pinhead1982

10 years ago


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#66 10 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

Does Anyone know where pinball plastics are produced, who did Gene use for BBB plastics and are they still around?

Gene decided to sell off the remaining BBB parts back in '07 and not reproduce any of them, for fear of someone buying them up and remaking a BBB like some were able to do with MM.

You can reproduce anything you want for your *personal* pinball machines. However, if you try to sell what you have reproduced is when you run into legal issues.

If you buy a BBB, keep in mind that if anything breaks, it just breaks.

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#138 10 years ago
Quoted from master_of_chaos:

So sold for 35.215 $....

Not many of these machines ended up overseas.

The ending bid price is an example of the greater international demand.

#176 10 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

If there is a dime to make off a BBB remake - make it.

Due to Gene's current financial situation, the Capcom rights would probably go for a staggering seven figure amount at this point.

Next to that you're reproducing a game, unlike PMI, at rock bottom with NO inventory.

Even with a 100 run, you're looking at an additional six figures *before* assembly.

Watch the BBB documentary and listen to some of the 2004 prices Gene had to pay for small stuff.

Gene wanted $8K for KP, six years ago. To turn a profit today, you would have to sell the game for at least $10K ~ $12K.

You would also have to sell more than 200 of them. To sell it for $8K, you would have to sell MORE than that!

For a game that can be mastered in less than 15 minutes, I just don't see the demand, profit or time to remake something, mostly for notoriety, to a *handful* of collectors.

#190 10 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

LOL.
When licensing rights are sold under duress, they will fetch the least amount of money.
Capcom only produced 4 pinball machines and a couple of prototypes.
That is hardly a 7 figure legacy, especially when none of the games were hits (about 1000 each of the 4 games were made).

LOL!

Gene wouldn't be selling the licensing under his name.

#194 10 years ago

You obviously don't know how bankruptcy works.

#195 10 years ago
Quoted from pezpunk:

you trying to convince us or yourself?

Sadly, I'm a realist.

#198 10 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

So please explain it to us all:
Is Gene going to be forced to sell the rights to the Capcom empire by a bankruptcy court?
Is he secretly going to sell the rights under a name other than his own?
How many possible buyers are lined up to buy the rights to a half dozen 20 year old commercially unpopular pinball machines?
If it is impossible to turn a profit by reissuing BBB, why would anyone pay "seven figures" for those rights?

Gene still answers his phone. Call and ask him. Things may have changed since the last time him and I talked.

Heck, just a few months ago he told Vid1900 "maybe" to a BBB remake. Now he's filing for bankruptcy.

Get ready for Vid1900 to deny that conversation in 3....2....1.......

#200 10 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

Is Gene filing for bankruptcy or is he being forced into bankruptcy by creditors?
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Please answer these questions for us all about bankruptcy:

PM me if you want Gene's number.

#203 10 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

I've got Gene's number, thank you.
You said I don't know anything about bankruptcy.
I wanted YOU to educate us all about it and how you came to the "seven figure" value to the rights to the 6 Capcom pinball machines.
So without any further avoidance, can you please answer these questions to the best of your ability?

This is a legal matter. I'm not going to voice a private conversation in a public forum.

However since you already have Gene's number, you already know what I know.

Feel free to fill everybody else in at your leisure.

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#205 10 years ago

Says the "Location Unknown" guy.

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#208 10 years ago
Quoted from cichlid:

My wife does not want us giving out any identifying information over the internet after a stalking incident involving our daughter.

Well if that's the case, you might want to stop using her as your avatar.

#215 10 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I will state here for the record that if the Capcom rights can be purchased for under $10,000, I may make a bid.

Yeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr out !

#234 10 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

It's funny when you got yourself backed into the corner and could not get out, but when it comes to someone's daughter getting abused, you are not funny and
NOT COOL.

Says the *other* "Location Unknown" guy.

Let me guess, someone was stalking you on the internet too?

Don't try to change the subject about the false conversation you had with Gene Cunningham months ago just to stir up s**t on Pinside.

NOT COOL!

#266 10 years ago
Quoted from MXV:

BBB is a very good looking game. Great art package, cool theme, pretty good game layout. I don't think it is a great game but it is a very good game.

In the TOPcast interview, Python takes full credit for virtually every design aspect of this game. Even the invention of the tube dancer.

He said that Rob Morrison was never around and was always busy getting drunk, but got credit for the design.

"Rob Morrison couldn't design his way out of a paper bag!" ~ Python

One of my favorite TOPcast interviews!

#271 10 years ago
Quoted from hlaj78:

Kingpin would be the game for me.

Kingpin would be neat to have but, in my opinion, PMI made the better one of the two.

Lots of wild ideas and new innovation were put into BBB, especially for 1996.

Besides, BBB uses an actual porn sample. How cool is that?

Kingpin however, is just another re-themed Mark Ritchie criss-cross ramp game.

Didn't do much for me when I played it, but I would buy one just because I'm trapped in the 1940's.

#285 10 years ago
Quoted from CaptainNeo:

It's not like it's hard to find a BBB if you want to shell out the cash. Not a rare sight by any means.

The parts are harder to find than the machines.

There were a lot of rare BBB parts that ended on eBay recently that went for big bucks!

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#333 10 years ago

I thought this sold at TPF for $17K.

#370 10 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

In 1996, BBB prototypes were presented at the Pinball Expo show in Chicago. It was Capcoms latest game and was planned to go into production shortly afterwards. For many visitors of this show, Big Bang Bar was the best new game shown (remember this was at a time that other manufacturers like Williams still made pinball machines, all new models were introduced to the public at this show).
Big Bang Bar was unique and raised the bar on many levels: it was certainly Capcoms best machine ever. Quality of sounds and artwork is excellent, dmd animations are great, the playfield has great flow, there's humor in the gameplay and its sounds. Everything in the whole theme fits together.

Capcom's pinball division closed shortly before Expo. It was *never* intended for BBB to ever see the light of day by the viewing public. All 13 machines were to either be sold or destroyed.

Everyone can thank designer Rob Morrison for literally begging Capcom to bring them to the 1996 Pinball Expo.

The rest is history....

#373 10 years ago
Quoted from pinsane:

Capcom's pinball division was closed on December 9, 1996
https://groups.google.com/forum/#msg/rec.games.pinball/9GCiOtGqews/JVQSwWi6TqcJ
Expo was a month before this...
steve SDTM

Not true.

Capcom closed it's pinball division before the 1996 Expo.

It was not made *public* until December.

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