Would love to see a large run of remakes just to all those who dare ask $20,000 for a pin can see a price crash.

Yep… just what I thought. Much of the calls for remakes stems from jealousy.

a lot of truth to that statement^

Is it jealousy to want to own a cool game for a reasonable price? I'd say it's just a desire to be somewhat practical.

You had your chance to get it in 2007 for $4500… not everyone gets to win.

Just like there a bunch of people who don't want them made to protect their 'investment'.

That's not cool man, to hope for a price crash for people who might have saved up for years to get their grail game and then it crashes on refakes. Instead You should be happy for anyone who has the game they took the time to buy and appreciate the effort it took them to get it. To wish financial hardship on a small community of collectors like us straight out isn't cool. If the game commands a 20K price tag and people pay it, then who cares it's not your problem. I personally don't try to look at games as investments, however nowadays you need to be careful as we all seem to have tons of cash " invested " into toys we collect. If they remake stuff great, if they don't, they don't. I highly doubt they will make BBB, but if they do I'd like the chance to own one too. I just don't see the need to throw crap in the current owners faces all the time on these forums. WOZ, XMEN, MET, MMr, CC, now this....Geez enough is enough.

I don't blame them… many of them took a big risk and it paid off. Good for them! If you want one they are out there for sale… quit whining and get out your wallet like everyone else.

Who is whining?? Certainly not me. I love how BBB looks, but can't stand the gameplay. I wouldn't pay 2500 for one, much less 20k. Lots of whining on both sides here, and I don't care for any of it. People complaining about the price sound jealous, and those complaining about losing value sound like snobs.

That's the issue. Hoping prices crash isn't wishing financial hardship on anyone. If the price of your pinball machine crashing leads to financial hardship, you are in this for all the wrong reasons. Bring on a crash, I want to play and own as many games as possible. I don't care if the value of my collection gets cut by 75%.

And $20K for a BBB is greed, not a whole bunch of people who can't afford it being jealous.

That was a general statement not necessarily directed at you… they know who they are.

A remake would end up being twice the price of the first run. Thats close to $9,000....I'm out.

A remake between $4,000 and $6,000....I might be in.

Wanting a pinball machine at all is "greed". Don't get it twisted, everyone is greedy based on there own self interest. Who gets to decide what amount of money is to "greedy" or to much? You do.

Well whatever I said my 2 cents I'm out of this waste of a thread...on to something else with my time. I'll keep saving for a BBB and hopefully I can get one someday.

If you read carefully, greg, Tony used the word "much", which doesn't mean "all".

From your posts, I know you like to argue, put a little spin on, so have at it.

The first BBB remake was $4500 back when Stern games were $3700, so You are not going to get BBB for $4000 10 years latter.

I imagine that a remake will run $8000 just like the MMr.

the difference between you and me is my hobby is pinball and your hobby is money.

Teekee- You seem to love the free market (so long as it fits into your neat, little box). Read: Teekee makes money. If the free market includes legitimately done remakes and squashes demand and therefore price of your machines, then that's somehow not the free market to you, just a bunch of whiners.

Free Market At Work:

If there is a dime to make off a BBB remake - make it.

Yep, I am aware, thats why I said I'm out unless its between 4 and 6k.

Now that I've had a chance to play Big Bang Bar back to back with Kingpin I'm definitely in the "remake Kingpin instead" camp, if you're gonna remake a rare Capcom. BBB is neat, love the theme and presentation, but it just didn't grab me the way Kingpin did, which is a very cool game, and so much rarer that it's even more likely people won't get to play it.

+1 on the Kingpin remake. I own an IPB BBB and was able to play one of the KP prototypes a few years after I received my BBB. While I wouldn't sell my BBB I would definitely be on the list for KP: it's a really neat game with interesting software.

People like to talk about what there game is worth. There was a AFM in the area for sale at $13,000 no sale different seller started his at $8500 and still had to mark down to get the sale so quoting prices asked as value means shit.

Yeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr out !

Due to Gene's current financial situation, the Capcom rights would probably go for a staggering seven figure amount at this point.

Next to that you're reproducing a game, unlike PMI, at rock bottom with NO inventory.

Even with a 100 run, you're looking at an additional six figures *before* assembly.

Watch the BBB documentary and listen to some of the 2004 prices Gene had to pay for small stuff.

Gene wanted $8K for KP, six years ago. To turn a profit today, you would have to sell the game for at least $10K ~ $12K.

You would also have to sell more than 200 of them. To sell it for $8K, you would have to sell MORE than that!

For a game that can be mastered in less than 15 minutes, I just don't see the demand, profit or time to remake something, mostly for notoriety, to a *handful* of collectors.

How about loving to see a remake because you might actually want to own one?

In the perfect world, the remakes would be affordable to the people that want one, and the people that already own one don't lose too much money on what they paid for their originals.

Most BBB owners paid a fraction of the price that they ask for. As for those who pay $15,000 to $20,000 it is hard to feel for them

Remember, Gene is the master of telling you what he wants you to hear.

With chapter 11 given that the rights are worthless unless sold don't think bidders are going to pay retail

The BBB pre-order was over in what '04 or '05? I wasn't in the hobby then - so no, I did not have a chance to get it. It's not about winning. It's about playing with a toy. It's not reasonable for most people to spend $20k on a toy.

testify brother!

im really more interested in what spooky, jpop, heighway, skit b, proc, and especially the guy that's building wrath of Olympus and what pat lawlor is doing.very exciting times for pinball.

That is straight up envy- I'm okay with not being able to afford one, as there are other things in life that beyond my reach also.

No, I don't own one. Again, if they do make another run, I hope the first 2 runs retain there value, and I am able to save up and buy a new one.

Not envy I played BBB the original and Kingpin at a house in mass some years back and nether game is worth the money

Agreed with above.

Everybody will have one that wants one and can afford the remake, right? Awesome. Anyone guessing what their huo remake will be worth on the market when the dust settles, and when it comes time to sell? (I know, not a concern for those taking it to the grave.)

So a group of people spends big money into chasing remakes versus a new game from Somebody. Does Somebody go out of business, ending a line of new, creative, possibly the greatest pin to ever come out, pins?

Just questioning the whole remake thing. Would bet originals will always rule the day.

why not let the market decide? MMRLE doesn't seem to be having trouble selling WAY more than 200 remakes of that game.

You totally missed the point, pez. Not saying it's not selling. One Question was once everybody who can afford one, gets one, what will the value be of the huo remake?

LOL.

When licensing rights are sold under duress, they will fetch the least amount of money.

Capcom only produced 4 pinball machines and a couple of prototypes.

That is hardly a 7 figure legacy, especially when none of the games were hits (about 1000 each of the 4 games were made).

Who cares?

LOL!

Gene wouldn't be selling the licensing under his name.

who cares? people should buy pinball machines bacause they like them, not because they like their resale value.

you trying to convince us or yourself?

You obviously don't know how bankruptcy works.

Sadly, I'm a realist.

So please explain it to us all:

Is Gene going to be forced to sell the rights to the Capcom empire by a bankruptcy court?

Is he secretly going to sell the rights under a name other than his own?

How many possible buyers are lined up to buy the rights to a half dozen 20 year old commercially unpopular pinball machines?

If it is impossible to turn a profit by reissuing BBB, why would anyone pay "seven figures" for those rights?

He is not going to be able to answer any of those questions in any meaningful way.

Get ready for much dodging in 3...2....1.......

Gene still answers his phone. Call and ask him. Things may have changed since the last time him and I talked.

Heck, just a few months ago he told Vid1900 "maybe" to a BBB remake. Now he's filing for bankruptcy.

Get ready for Vid1900 to deny that conversation in 3....2....1.......

Is Gene filing for bankruptcy or is he being forced into bankruptcy by creditors?

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Please answer these questions for us all about bankruptcy:

PM me if you want Gene's number.