Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't give you the right to invent your own facts. There have been plenty of updates throughout 2015, including reasons for the delays. Production samples were tested at the DPO & a new board had just been shown that solves issues they had with the samples. It will be shipping soon.

You sure yap your flap a lot for someone who doesn't contribute anything financially to pinball. You have no stake yet you're constantly posting the same old shit-stirring stuff with this sense of entitlement and superiority. You know nothing about this industry or how it works. The fact that you even considered putting money in on Jpop and working for him speaks volumes - and you have the audacity to question how anyone else spends their money on pinball?

In regards to Dutch Pinball - perhaps you've forgotten about BOP 2.0 - a beautiful licensed product the changed an old game into a modern one more impressive than new Sterns. It shipped. It exists. I have it and play it a lot! You forget that people around the world have played the Lebowski Protos and Samples. What they've accomplished doesn't show you they're the real deal? WTF do you want them to do? You couldn't dream to accomplish what they have in the pinball world.

You personally attacked the hundreds of
people who have pre-paid for
the Big Lebowski with nothing to back up your venom against Dutch other than your own impatience.

It's not inane or insane. Again - they've proven they can make, license and ship a killer pinball product. BOP 2.0. They've shown the Protos and Samples. Roger Shrpe is behind it. It's not insane. Jpop was always insane. TBL has always been real. I paid for it a while ago and got
It at a lower price with rug and chrome included. Why would I pull my money out? I'd get it later, with less stuff and for more money. That would be insane at this point. It's right around the corner.

Project much? I'm just calling you out on your narcissism and know-nothing bravado. Words have meaning. Opinions without facts to back them up are nothing
but bluster, and in this case an insult. You fired the first shot.

I want a Lebowski pinball. Why does it matter to you whether I buy it now or later? I like Dutch and I love BOP 2.0. I'm saving $1000 and get extra shit and the game sooner.

Why are you insulting those who bought a Lebowski? Seriously?

The art kills it...people are buying a game, not a platform. Even though he P3 is an amazing platform, it's going to be a tough sell as a "console with a pack-in game" when no one knows what future "software" will be.

PPS isn't doing pre-orders anymore. They said when the next game is announced - it will be ready to ship. I'm sure there will still be the usual manufacturing delays - but nothing like MMR.

No it won't. Those games are still proven to be the "best of the best" - it's the era of pinball that most people interested in pinball love the most. The new games won't be that different due to their displays. The DMD era still has music, voice, light shows, ramps, toys - unless the new era innovates more on the playfield, only the color display will define it. The DMD era brought more than a display. The games themselves were just so much more advanced and entertaining than what came before it. At the end of the day, the games themselves make the game. Revenge From Mars makes my DMD games look outdated - but is only worth a fraction of what most DMDs cost. There won't be enough "next gen pins" to obliterate demand for the great DMD games.

Do EMs feel/play/sound anything like the DMD era games? Not at all. No music, voices, light shows, ramps, toys, or complex rules. How does the "Color display" generation of games differ besides the display? So far, not at all. The display doesn't define a game. No display will make pinball lovers decide the "DMD era" games aren't fun anymore.

False equivalency. Jpop never had a plan from day one - and I was vocal about it. Turns out I was right. It never made financial sense, there was no manufacture plan. Nothing about Dutch is remotely like Jpop. They've proven they can code and ship a professional and complex product. They've proven they can build playable Protos and samples. They've proven they have a manufacturing facility. I get that people are frustrated with the delays - but unless you have any logic or proof that they can't pull thru this last stretch, any accusations or insults are unwarranted.

And what did I say about WOZ? Other than not digging it and cancelling my order - it seemed pretty clear that JJP always had a business plan and a factory.

I hope it's awesome, but "Pat Lawlor" doesn't mean anything to the casual pinball player/buyer - and neither do original themes. It prob won't sell well initially - but if word of mouth is stellar - it can pick up steam over time. Hopefully it'll end up being a good "catalog title" for JJP - a game they can always produce since they're not tied to a limited license agreement.

It's somewhat relative to what the game initially cost, plus the fact that LOTR is out of production. Most people bought LOTR for $3200-$3600 NIB....or around the same or less used for a while. Now, it's selling for about $2000+ than what it was originally. That's pretty impressive. WOZ, while $6500 initially - is still available NIB for $8000-9500, so - there's no reason anyone would have to sell a used for for super low. Anything slightly below NIB would be enticing at the moment for possible buyers. So - while WOZ is still more expensive than LOTR, it hasn't gained value...LOTR has - a testament to the GAME itself.

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Yup. NIB Sterns were in the mid $3k's (give or take based on your distributor) until the new investors came in and the Pro/LE/Prem split became the norm. Then the prices kept climbing with each new release (The LE's getting the highest increase). The first "Different LE", Avatar...I believe was just about $5k. TFLE was around $5300...then came the Premium with AC/DC, which sorta took over the LE price at ~$5500 and the LE jumped to $6600....and it kept going. What are people spending on GOTLE? $7800?

Yikes.

However, it has allowed them to grow as a company, explore R&D to advance their hardware, get a new factory, and employ tons of designers & programmers who might not be working in pinball otherwise.