Quoted from NPO:

Whoa whoa whoa.... . Let's not jump to crazy conclusions here.
Kaneda is Pinside's version of a stock market analyst: LOTS of discussion but not much in terms of "chips in".
And for those ready to play the victim or call foul, that's not meant to be an insult or back-handed compliment. It is what it is based on topic history as well as posts based on in-home purchases. He generates a LOT of discussion with minimal investment in hardware at home (based on what I've seen).

Quoted from NPO:

I do NOT see Alien, TBL, or TH coming out until winter 2016.
Wasn't TH supposed to come out in conjunction with the movies? When was the last one movie made...? (I know about the re-tooling of the PF after Expo's thrashing of the original design, wasn't THAT over a year ago now too?)
I am almost starting to think TBL is vaporware. I used to follow it back in 2014, and I can't remember the last time there was a SERIOUS update towards its production.
Alien I do have hope for since Heighway has a solid presence here, and the team gives fairly consistent updates "when it's time". With FTR under their belt and having enough footing for Bowen to do a tutorial on it, I see Alien coming, but it will have multiple delays; and I see it finally heading to homes around the turn of 2016 into 2017.
This whole "taking 2-4 years for a pinball machine to see fruition" routine is what will guarantee sales of GoT, SMVE, and GB.
Look how long it took MMR to come out, and that had a solid footing of details and drawings from 1997 on its side. What are we going on for some owners: 2.5 years now waiting for their games...?
Like it or not, Stern will continue to outsell everyone no matter the quality of the other games due to one polarizing factor: I can have it now rather than later.

Quoted from anthony691:

How many of these are going to actually be meaningfully "available?"
Prediction: some of these pins will not ship at all in this time frame. Others probably will not ship to anyone who did not preorder.
At least one won't "available" in any conventional meaning of the word, but will probably ship.
If "available" means distributors have stock on hand, I'd bet on 3-4.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't give you the right to invent your own facts. There have been plenty of updates throughout 2015, including reasons for the delays. Prosecution samples were tested at the DPO & a new board had just been shown that solves issues they had with the samples. It will be shipping soon.

Quoted from Rarehero:

You sure yap your flap a lot for someone who doesn't contribute anything financially to pinball. You have no stake yet you're constantly posting the same old shit-stirring stuff with this sense of entitlement and superiority. You know nothing about this industry or how it works. The fact that you even considered putting money in on Jpop and working for him speaks volumes - and you have the audacity to question how anyone else spends their money on pinball?
In regards to Dutch Pinball - perhaps you've forgotten about BOP 2.0 - a beautiful licensed product the changed an old game into a modern one more impressive than new Sterns. It shipped. It exists. I have it and play it a lot! You forget that people around the world have played the Lebowski Protos and Samples. What they've accomplished doesn't show you they're the real deal? WTF do you want them to do? You couldn't dream to accomplish what they have in the pinball world.

Quoted from vdojaq:

I have to agree that GB is going to be a hit. From what I understand there are some features on this game that are quite unusual for Stern. For me, it is the ONLY one of the 7 mentioned I have any interest in.
On top of that, I will NEVER purchase another LE from Stern. Get all the bang for your buck on a Premium and mod it to your liking.

Quoted from GravitaR:

The IGNORE button is your best friend, use it.
Claims he has no room for pinballs so wont buy one, then buys/leases a Hellcat which - he don't have room for so parks it somewhere else. What a hypocrite!

Quoted from Rarehero:

You personally attacked the hundreds of
people who have pre-paid for
The Big Lebowski with nothing to back up your venom against Dutch other than your own impatience.

It's not inane or insane. Again - they've proven they can make, license and ship a killer pinball product. BOP 2.0. They've shown the Protos and Samples. Roger Shrpe is behind it. It's not insane. Jpop was always insane. TBL has always been real. I paid for it a while ago and got
It at a lower price with rug and chrome included. Why would I pull my money out? I'd get it later, with less stuff and for more money. That would be insane at this point. It's right around the corner.

Project much? I'm just calling you out on your narcissism and know-nothing bravado. Words have meaning. Opinions without facts to back them up are nothing
but bluster, and in this case an insult. You fired the first shot.

Quoted from jlm33:

About a year ago (October 2014) I made a list of the pins that were to be released in 2015 for a French forum. http://www.flipjuke.fr/embarras-choix-petit-apercu-des-projets-cours-t107732.html (sorry, that's in French)
I think I counted ≈ 20 different pins.
Among them were Predator, Magic Girl, RAZA, P3, TH, TBL, Gremlins (lol), Nemo, Wooly, Spooky #2, Heighway #2, Timeshock, Circus Maximus, Thunderbirds...
You all know where these projects stand. The reality is what?
- 4 Stern models (Wrestlemania*, Kiss, GoT, WNBJM)
- Full Throttle
- AMH approaching completion
- Wooly (4 produced)
- Nemo (at least 1 produced)
- Am I forgetting something?
* announced in 2014 but produced in 2015 ?

Quoted from Rarehero:

I want a Lebowski pinball. Why does it matter to you whether I buy it now or later? I like Dutch and I love BOP 2.0. I'm saving $1000 and get extra shit and the game sooner.

Why are you insulting those who bought a Lebowski? Seriously?

Quoted from beelzeboob:

Your apartment fits exactly one pin. Who you kidding?

Quoted from o-din:

To each his own, but if I had the cash to burn on an expensive car that I had to park 15 minutes from where I live, I would bail on cramped apartment living and get the hell out of Dodge.

Quoted from Expletive:

Speaking of the Twilight Zone, what's with all the posts saying that Pat Lawlors pin for JJP will be available this year? Are you people insane?

Quoted from jawjaw:

You can throw in the next remake which is supposed to be ready and announced at tpf. I don't know if 2016 will be any different than 2015. Stern will produce a handfull of hit and miss pins. Competition will struggle with delays and just keeping up with preorders if anything is produced. I don't know if any are a direct threat to Stern yet. How many guys preordered, got sick of waiting, cancelled, and bought a Stern?

Quoted from Rarehero:

The art kills it...people are buying a game, not a platform. Even though he P3 is an amazing platform, it's going to be a tough sell as a "console with a pack-in game" when no one knows what future "software" will be.

Quoted from AJB4:

Any idea what the next PPS / CGC remake will be? What does the rumor mill say?

Quoted from shimoda:

Don't see Pinball Circus coming - as a production model - for at least a couple years. Why? The main prototype is pretty much done and has lots of reworking to be done, serious reworking. Then the first 12 prototypes. Then the work to see if production is feasible. It's a really cool game, cool idea, and lots of neat stuff going on, but I still think it will have limited release.
On a separate note related to this thread - the difference between a personal attack and not one is attacking just one person. Kaneda saying he doesn't understand so many people putting money into DP right now isn't personally attacking each and every one of those people. Yes, DP did get BOP 2.0 licensed and done. But to say that putting together a mod kit with a few components and a really sweet software upgrade that completely changes an existing table is practically in a different universe from building a game from the ground up then getting it to full production. That would be like saying that a mod shop could just start producing automobiles because they do great restores/mods.
I'm betting closer to 5 new pins and also betting there will be slow downs. Even 5 new games will be pressing an already seemingly tight market. Machines just don't 'seem' to be moving as quickly as they were 1 or 2 years ago.

Quoted from c508:

Gratz on the short walking commute! I have one as well and bike whenever I can (weather permitting)!
But what's the point of having a HELLCAT (which I would love to own but don't have the garage space (or $$$)) if you are in the middle of the city?
Are you even able to get out of third gear?
I've only been to NYC about a 4 times in the past 10 years but each time the traffic seems worse. Living in Seattle or Chicago practically the only thing my car was good for was Costco and Trader Joe's runs.

Quoted from Rarehero:

No it won't. Those games are still proven to be the "best of the best" - it's the era of pinball that most people interested in pinball love the most. The new games won't be that different due to their displays. The DMD era still has music, voice, light shows, ramps, toys - unless the new era innovates more on the playfield, only the color display will define it. The DMD era brought more than a display. The games themselves were just so much more advanced and entertaining than what came before it. At the end of the day, the games themselves make the game. Revenge From Mars makes my DMD games look outdated - but is only worth a fraction of what most DMDs cost. There won't be enough "next gen pins" to obliterate demand for the great DMD games.

Quoted from Rarehero:

It's somewhat relative to what the game initially cost, plus the fact that LOTR is out of production. Most people bought LOTR for $3200-$3600 NIB....or around the same or less used for a while. Now, it's selling for about $2000+ than what it was originally. That's pretty impressive. WOZ, while $6500 initially - is still available NIB for $8000-9500, so - there's no reason anyone would have to sell a used for for super low. Anything slightly below NIB would be enticing at the moment for possible buyers. So - while WOZ is still more expensive than LOTR, it hasn't gained value...LOTR has - a testament to the GAME itself.

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