Alien I'm really doubtful

Got premium I'm not calling that a new pin.

TBL and RZ who knows?

I'd say safely TH (finally), GB and SMVE most likely.

I will say that Stern not releasing any details on SMVE may have cost them at least my purchase because I just spent that money.

Pat Lawlers game and hopefully Pinball Circuis.

I do NOT see Alien, TBL, or TH coming out until winter 2016.

Wasn't TH supposed to come out in conjunction with the movies? When was the last one movie made...? (I know about the re-tooling of the PF after Expo's thrashing of the original design, wasn't THAT over a year ago now too?)

I am almost starting to think TBL is vaporware. I used to follow it back in 2014, and I can't remember the last time there was a SERIOUS update towards its production.

Alien I do have hope for since Heighway has a solid presence here, and the team gives fairly consistent updates "when it's time". With FTR under their belt and having enough footing for Bowen to do a tutorial on it, I see Alien coming, but it will have multiple delays; and I see it finally heading to homes around the turn of 2016 into 2017.

This whole "taking 2-4 years for a pinball machine to see fruition" routine is what will guarantee sales of GoT, SMVE, and GB.

Look how long it took MMR to come out, and that had a solid footing of details and drawings from 1997 on its side. What are we going on for some owners: 2.5 years now waiting for their games...?

Like it or not, Stern will continue to outsell everyone no matter the quality of the other games due to one polarizing factor: I can have it now rather than later.

I'm doing my best right now to help the Q1/Q2 target for Alien happen.

How many of these are going to actually be meaningfully "available?"

Prediction: some of these pins will not ship at all in this time frame. Others probably will not ship to anyone who did not preorder.

At least one won't "available" in any conventional meaning of the word, but will probably ship.

If "available" means distributors have stock on hand, I'd bet on 3-4.

Wouldn't call GoT Premium a new game.

since this is a kaneda thread I'll bet you that RZ's start shipping in the first half of 2016

the sterns yes, though 2 have not been confirmed, but maybe only one will between GB & SMVE will be in the first half

TH most likely

TBL and Alien I'm not sure but if I had to pick from this pair I'd say Alien

Kaneda might buy one.

Whoa whoa whoa.... . Let's not jump to crazy conclusions here.

Kaneda is Pinside's version of a stock market analyst: LOTS of discussion but not much in terms of "chips in".

And for those ready to play the victim or call foul, that's not meant to be an insult or back-handed compliment. It is what it is based on topic history as well as posts based on in-home purchases. He generates a LOT of discussion with minimal investment in hardware at home (based on what I've seen).

I'm going to go with "No".

/wipes hands on pants

Well most people getting TH or TBL have spent that money a looooong time ago...I'm sure they will have available funds for one of the new titles in Q1 (if they so choose). The sky isn't falling.

Just because you haven't been paying attention doesn't give you the right to invent your own facts. There have been plenty of updates throughout 2015, including reasons for the delays. Production samples were tested at the DPO & a new board had just been shown that solves issues they had with the samples. It will be shipping soon.

You sure yap your flap a lot for someone who doesn't contribute anything financially to pinball. You have no stake yet you're constantly posting the same old shit-stirring stuff with this sense of entitlement and superiority. You know nothing about this industry or how it works. The fact that you even considered putting money in on Jpop and working for him speaks volumes - and you have the audacity to question how anyone else spends their money on pinball?

In regards to Dutch Pinball - perhaps you've forgotten about BOP 2.0 - a beautiful licensed product the changed an old game into a modern one more impressive than new Sterns. It shipped. It exists. I have it and play it a lot! You forget that people around the world have played the Lebowski Protos and Samples. What they've accomplished doesn't show you they're the real deal? WTF do you want them to do? You couldn't dream to accomplish what they have in the pinball world.

I didn't invent any "facts". I just said I don't remember the last time there was any significant "OMG, here it comes!!!!!!!!" update that set Pinside on fire. Last update I remember doing that was "Oops, the full songs won't be in here after all.", and I lost interest altogether.

Well, no big updates like ' reveals' of things that will be in the game, but you must remember they are a start-up, and not a company that's bringing a new pinball after they've made several others before. Keeping that in mind, I think the "production-test-models" was a big update. Sure, there were problems, but that's why they were made and improvements on the PCBs have been made after that.

About the songs: I can see some disappointment there, but for myself (at the DPO): I thought for a pinball the music was better without the voices. If you don't think so, I think some people here have hinted already that they can be changed.

Not sure how soon, but I have faith that TBL will come in 2016, and I think it'll indeed be in the first half of it.

Alien: no idea. Full Throttle did have a lot of delays, but maybe once the production is all going smoothly, getting Alien on the line is not the big step I think it is (maybe they're a lot further than what I've seen/read). I do hope it's coming in 2016. I don't believe that Heighway can make a 3d game in the first half of 2016. Andrew really is a great guy that gets things done in the end (as far as I can tell, not really knowing him), but he's a bit overly optimistic as well I think.

Rob Zombie, The Hobbit and Ghostbusters are not really questions I think. I think it's not impossible that TBL comes before the Hobbit, but given the fact that JJP already has made another game, and almost every new manufacturer has more delays than thought of beforehand (except Spooky?), I can imagine JJP from now being faster with their new game than DP.
It'll be cool if Pats game will come out in 2016 as well!

Lexy Lightspeed and Pinball Circus? No idea.
SpidermanVE is half new and can be cool. GOT Premium not really imo.

I have to agree that GB is going to be a hit. From what I understand there are some features on this game that are quite unusual for Stern. For me, it is the ONLY one of the 7 mentioned I have any interest in.

On top of that, I will NEVER purchase another LE from Stern. Get all the bang for your buck on a Premium and mod it to your liking.

Are you talking about Magic Girl?

Do tell. Widebody? Non-standard bottom lane/flipper configuration? Real knocker? Original artwork?

The IGNORE button is your best friend, use it.

Claims he has no room for pinballs so wont buy one, then buys/leases a Hellcat which - he don't have room for so parks it somewhere else. What a hypocrite!

Just because someone has a smaller collection does not mean they cant comment on the state of pinball...

You personally attacked the hundreds of
people who have pre-paid for
the Big Lebowski with nothing to back up your venom against Dutch other than your own impatience.

It's not inane or insane. Again - they've proven they can make, license and ship a killer pinball product. BOP 2.0. They've shown the Protos and Samples. Roger Shrpe is behind it. It's not insane. Jpop was always insane. TBL has always been real. I paid for it a while ago and got
It at a lower price with rug and chrome included. Why would I pull my money out? I'd get it later, with less stuff and for more money. That would be insane at this point. It's right around the corner.

Project much? I'm just calling you out on your narcissism and know-nothing bravado. Words have meaning. Opinions without facts to back them up are nothing
but bluster, and in this case an insult. You fired the first shot.

Ironic because I have 15 pinball machines in my garage but no car.

Personally, I'm more pumped about Lexi Lightspeed than anything else! Was a blast to play at Expo and felt like the most forward-thinking game I've seen since P2k. Just opinion here folks (don't get sensitive if you disagree).

And 15 days from knowing everything about GB

Just got off the phone with Trump.
He does not want to let any Pinball Machines into the country until they find out what the hell is going on!

That I can only neg so much

Stern will deliver GB and SMVE.

Spooky will start RZ production.

If the past is a predictor of the future then those are pretty certain.

All the rest are maybe.

I have no clue what will come out and when, but 2016, in theory, does shape up to be a very interesting year. The delays of 2015, the emergence of Highway, and more of a presence from Spooky, are going to create a level of competition we haven't seen in a long time.

I hope it drives prices down, but I really don't think that will happen, at least not with NIB games. I think the prices on the secondary market could go down as people need money and space to get new games.

- For me, the Highway system looks like a great deal. I loved FTH and Alien looks very promising. I like the space and money savings there.

- TH looks great...I'll take a wait and see approach and play it a lot before pulling the tigger.

- I'm on a year delay with Sterns so I can get games with mature code, so nothing is really calling my name at this point. I do love the GB theme.

-I was all about TBL, but I'm not sure I want to pay 10k for it. Regardless of whether it's true or not, I can't help but feel like I'm paying for the startup of the business and mistakes, delays, etc...

That about sums it up for me right now.

About a year ago (October 2014) I made a list of the pins that were to be released in 2015 for a French forum. http://www.flipjuke.fr/embarras-choix-petit-apercu-des-projets-cours-t107732.html (sorry, that's in French)
I think I counted ≈ 20 different pins.
Among them were Predator, Magic Girl, RAZA, P3, TH, TBL, Gremlins (lol), Nemo, Wooly, Spooky #2, Heighway #2, Timeshock, Circus Maximus, Thunderbirds...

You all know where these projects stand. The reality is what?
- 4 Stern models (Wrestlemania*, Kiss, GoT, WNBJM)
- Full Throttle
- AMH approaching completion
- Wooly (4 produced)
- Nemo (at least 1 produced)
- Am I forgetting something?

* announced in 2014 but produced in 2015 ?

I expect all of those to ship except Lebowski. Lebowski will be late 2016 at least. Alien will be pushing it, but I'm guessing Heighway will make the cut even if just barely.

Hey Kaneda, who you talkin to ? I can't see anything but ignored user comment...

I think the latter half of 2016 will be more interesting. Many of the games listed in the first post of this thread are already paid for or calculated into budgets and collections. RZ is sold out, TBL initial wave sold, Hobbit initial wave sold, SMVE has been prepared for as many already sold their original SM or/and have budgeted for it if they didn't have one, same for GoT as the initial wave of premiums are probably sold. That leaves GB as the real wildcard to potentially mix things up for the next few months.

Stern's later titles and PPS' next move are the ones that will really have to fight hard for collector's dollars and game room space. If Stern releases a decent Star Wars pin later in 2016, it could be painful to all the other makers.

Your apartment fits exactly one pin. Who you kidding?

I want a Lebowski pinball. Why does it matter to you whether I buy it now or later? I like Dutch and I love BOP 2.0. I'm saving $1000 and get extra shit and the game sooner.

Why are you insulting those who bought a Lebowski? Seriously?

Thunderbirds are go ?
maybe. Be interesting t see this happen in the Asian region.

he could always park it 15 minutes away.