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Why you should wait for JJP's Guns N' Roses ...


By Tuna_Delight

8 months ago



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    #601 28 days ago
    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Your original comment was about GnR's relevancy citing Youtube subscriptions, it had nothing to do with comparing them to bands with pins, but I'll play it your way.
    Justin Bieber - 57.2M subscribers
    Drake - 22.8M subscribers
    Eminem - 44.4M subscribers
    By your statement, a pin based on any one of these guys would put sales through the roof.

    You missed the point. You stated to rai that gnr isn’t a big deal, and we’re talking in reference to pinball themes aren’t we? So in the pinball world, classic bands sell, and gnr is a big deal in that genre. The singers you mentioned like Justin Bieber wouldn’t sell crap as a pin because pinball is for an older demographic that laughs at those themes you listed. GNR is as big, and probably bigger than any of the stern rock band pins. I personally consider gnr, AC/DC, and Metallica as the big 3. Aerosmith is big, but not to these levels. Same with Iron Maiden. Big, but more of a special cult following vs being a mega band. Size of the subscriber count in no way dictates how well a pin sells, but it does show how relevant they are in terms of popularity and as a possible theme for the particular pinball demographic.

    #602 28 days ago
    Quoted from konghusker:

    You missed the point. You stated to rai that gnr isn’t a big deal, and we’re talking in reference to pinball themes aren’t we? So in the pinball world, classic bands sell, and gnr is a big deal in that genre. The singers you mentioned like Justin Bieber wouldn’t sell crap as a pin because pinball is for an older demographic that laughs at those themes you listed. GNR is as big, and probably bigger than any of the stern rock band pins. I personally consider gnr, AC/DC, and Metallica as the big 3. Aerosmith is big, but not to these levels.

    The people want a fast, fun, and rocking GnR for adults.

    #603 28 days ago
    Quoted from digitaldocc:

    The people want a fast, fun, and rocking GnR for adults.

    And I’m sure that is exactly what we’re about to get! Can’t wait.

    #604 28 days ago
    Quoted from konghusker:

    And I’m sure that is exactly what we’re about to get! Can’t wait.

    Without a doubt Eric is going to crush it. Did it need to be GnR? Meh.

    #605 28 days ago
    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Without a doubt Eric is going to crush it. Did it need to be GnR? Meh.

    They have ALLLLLLLL the assets to one of the old iconic mega rock bands that are on the level of ACDC and Metallica, of course Eric needs to do this pin!

    #606 28 days ago
    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Without a doubt Eric is going to crush it. Did it need to be GnR? Meh.

    Yes! We needed an updated gnr pin for us guys that like the newer technology and deeper pins.

    #607 28 days ago

    I don't mean to put Stern down but I am in the market to buy something new, the last pin I bought was SW premium comic(which I do love), I have owned 12+ Stern games half of the pins I have owned have been Stern.

    Owning JJP, CGC and Spooky as well as B/W and Stern pins and 16 years in the hobby.

    Went to an arcade to play all the latest Stern pins (BM66, JP LE, Elvira, Maiden premium, TMNT LE and Stranger Things LE) was looking to see if I wanted to buy BM66 but the new Stern pins feel somewhat lacking for $7500-$9K. I think the Stern pros feel more worth the price for $5500 that I don't really see the extra $2-4K price for the premium/LE.

    Part of the issue is that since ST and TWD seems like Stern has been getting more expensive but like less quality. I think TWD was last SAM game and Stern switched to Spike with WWE, feels like a defining line were the quality feel went down a bit. Stern LE especially seem to be less with the extra with some not even including a shaker in the $9K+ price tag.

    JJP and CGC are the only pins that feel worth $8-9K (I did buy R&M have not got it yet but R&M feels a bit of a reach for $8300).

    #608 28 days ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I don't mean to put Stern down but I am in the market to buy something new, the last pin I bought was SW premium comic(which I do love), I have owned 12+ Stern games half of the pins I have owned have been Stern.
    Owning JJP, CGC and Spooky as well as B/W and Stern pins and 16 years in the hobby.
    Went to an arcade to play all the latest Stern pins (BM66, JP LE, Elvira, Maiden premium, TMNT LE and Stranger Things LE) was looking to see if I wanted to buy BM66 but the new Stern pins feel somewhat lacking for $7500-$9K. I think the Stern pros feel more worth the price for $5500 that I don't really see the extra $2-4K price for the premium/LE.
    Part of the issue is that since ST and TWD seems like Stern has been getting more expensive but like less quality.
    JJP and CGC are the only pins that feel worth $8-9K (I did buy R&M have not got it yet but R&M feels a bit of a reach for $8300).

    Won’t say your view is wrong but not what I have seen. ALL of these companies have had issues granted One of them (Stern) puts out a Crap ton more units so yes they get 10 times the feedback good or bad. I personally love most of the new Stern titles and have yet to have a single issue out of the box other then standard simple adjustments which one should expect with a game traveling down the highway in a cardboard box. I look forward to the next JJP but don’t see them that much further ahead then anyone else at this point price or otherwise.

    #609 28 days ago
    Quoted from rai:

    JP LE, Elvira, Maiden premium,

    None of these games are lacking as for being worth $9000 I have never seen a game worth that kind of money

    #610 28 days ago
    Quoted from JY64:

    None of these games are lacking as for being worth $9000 I have never seen a game worth that kind of money

    JJP POTC is

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    #611 28 days ago

    Acdc and Metallica are far less polarizing than gnr. Plus, you guys honestly believe jjp is doing a 180 on their family approach because a has-bin from a skid band likes pinball???

    Worst theme so far for jjp. Great if you like the band, but not great for the company and their approach toward the market.

    #612 28 days ago

    maybe it'll be like a cartoon adventure

    #613 28 days ago

    Don't forget that Slash it totally onboard and is into pinball more than most music theme artist.No one on the planet can say they don't know and like something GNS put out.But the biggest reason to wait for a GNS over any other games available is that Eric is designing it.We all know what Keith has done for pinball and how he has stepped up designs or changed up the normal to something special.Well Eric has also, and he will be known to be as creative or in my opinion more creative than Keith. Eric just works for a company that cant get games out the door and Keith works for Stern.The one advanage Eric has over Keith is that JJP will put all they can in a game while Stern seems to always look for the cheapest way to make a game.I keep saying it but I hope JJP can get it together and start getting games out the door as well as more titles.Toy Story will be a great theme also and it would be nice to see that game someday. I love Stern for putting out a consistent decent games but JJP is the high end game changer.
    I also want to give a heads up to Joe Katz, JT Harkey Keith, P. Johnson.I The coding and rules on Pirates is awesome and well thought out and written.Look at the game integration on Hobbit and Pirates. Your part of the story when you play Hobbit.I don't know how you can make a story line on a music theme game but we will see great rules great design and a unique great game.
    So if you're short on cash and have "patience" it will be worth the wait.

    #614 28 days ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    Acdc and Metallica are far less polarizing than gnr. Plus, you guys honestly believe jjp is doing a 180 on their family approach because a has-bin from a skid band likes pinball???
    Worst theme so far for jjp. Great if you like the band, but not great for the company and their approach toward the market.

    I think they know better than a G rated GnR.I think they might surprise you!

    #615 28 days ago
    Quoted from Hammerhead:

    Your original comment was about GnR's relevancy citing Youtube subscriptions, it had nothing to do with comparing them to bands with pins, but I'll play it your way.
    Justin Bieber - 57.2M subscribers
    Drake - 22.8M subscribers
    Eminem - 44.4M subscribers
    By your statement, a pin based on any one of these guys would put sales through the roof.

    You're barking up the wrong tree. I got shouted down for explaining similar logic.

    #616 27 days ago

    I love GNR music (loved it more 30 years ago) still love GNR about as much as AcDc or Metallica, but I need to see what the pin is about.

    I mean how are the rules and the modes? Iron Maiden have a lot of story songs (Aces High, Fear of the dark etc.) that make for great modes on pinball.

    I just am curious how/what they are going to do with GNR songs.

    "I used to love her but I had to kill her" not sure about that mode.
    "Mr Brownstone" score some heroin?

    #617 27 days ago

    Those of us that own the DE GNR plus a pinsound with ALL the tracks are going to be letdown unless they have an option to update the song list with all the songs

    #618 26 days ago
    Quoted from rai:

    I love GNR music (loved it more 30 years ago) still love GNR about as much as AcDc or Metallica, but I need to see what the pin is about.
    I mean how are the rules and the modes? Iron Maiden have a lot of story songs (Aces High, Fear of the dark etc.) that make for great modes on pinball.
    I just am curious how/what they are going to do with GNR songs.
    "I used to love her but I had to kill her" not sure about that mode.
    "Mr Brownstone" score some heroin?

    Did you know I used to love her but I had to kill her was about Axl dog? I loved the song even more when I read that years ago

    #619 26 days ago
    Quoted from LJH:

    Did you know I used to love her but I had to kill her was about Axl dog? I loved the song even more when I read that years ago

    Oh man that changes the entire tone from awful/hateful to sad/endearing. Maybe this pin will make me like this band.

    #620 26 days ago
    Quoted from LJH:

    Did you know I used to love her but I had to kill her was about Axl dog? I loved the song even more when I read that years ago

    I didn’t know that.

    #621 26 days ago
    Quoted from zaphX:

    Maybe this pin will make me like this band.

    Doubtful. Metallica & Madain didn't get me buying any albums

    #622 26 days ago

    More on Used to Love her

    https://web.archive.org/web/20071206110805/http://gnrsource.com/songinfo/lies/utlh.htm

    ... and that's the rest of the story.

    #623 26 days ago

    I want this JJP game to highlight GNR's attitude and energy. If they use acoustic versions of songs, I'll be furious.

    Yes please:

    F'ing No!!!!!!:

    #624 26 days ago
    Quoted from Reznnate:

    I want this JJP game to highlight GNR's attitude and energy. If they use acoustic versions of songs, I'll be furious.
    Yes please:
    F'ing No!!!!!!:

    I've never seen the second video. Original lineup, kinda neat. I agree, upbeat and in your face, although I'm sure November Rain will be on there. I don't see a ballad working well in a pinball machine.

    #625 26 days ago
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    #626 26 days ago
    Quoted from vireland:

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    Little Orphan Annie with a Slash top hat? I don't get it.

    #627 26 days ago
    Quoted from Shredso:

    Little Orphan Annie with a Slash top hat? I don't get it.

    Meditate on it.

    #628 26 days ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    Meditate on it.

    Tomorrow is still September

    #629 26 days ago

    So, reading between the lines. The song was absolutely about spousal abuse. Slash was embarrassed about it and tried to spin it?

    #630 25 days ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    Meditate on it.

    Post it again today and it will make sense. Sort of. Nobody said October 1st, just October.

    #631 25 days ago

    hopefully the pinball machine will be true to its source and 1 out of every 6 games the machine just turns off mid play... leaving the player (or fan) wondering why it stopped performing and left. Or when you turn on the power the balls just refuse to come out. That would be the true GnR experience

    #632 25 days ago

    The release is Oct 5th, as announced on Erics Instagram

    #633 25 days ago
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    #634 25 days ago

    Lack of inserts in upper left suggests upper PF there.

    #635 25 days ago

    Scoop, straight up the middle.

    #636 25 days ago
    Quoted from Tranquilize:

    Plus, you guys honestly believe jjp is doing a 180 on their family approach because a has-bin from a skid band likes pinball???

    This is the head scratcher for me. JJP is family oriented.... when did Jack start playing with Mr. Brownstone or visiting my Michelle on the weekends...???

    Get in the ring?? MultiBall

    #637 25 days ago

    Can anyone clever tell me is that standard or widebody?

    #638 25 days ago
    Quoted from Jason_Jehosaphat:

    Lack of inserts in upper left suggests upper PF there.

    Yeah, looks like it could be a huge upper playfield too which would be nice to see.

    #639 25 days ago
    Quoted from JonCrox:

    Can anyone clever tell me is that standard or widebody?

    standard

    #640 25 days ago
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    #641 25 days ago

    Upper pf looks like a piano

    #642 25 days ago
    Quoted from Shredso:

    Post it again today and it will make sense. Sort of. Nobody said October 1st, just October.

    No, it made sense yesterday, you just didn't know it yet. Today is the start of info.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-jjp-game-announcement-coming-soon/page/56#post-5879045

    #643 25 days ago
    Quoted from Bwilson:

    This is the head scratcher for me. JJP is family oriented.... when did Jack start playing with Mr. Brownstone or visiting my Michelle on the weekends...???
    Get in the ring?? MultiBall

    Or, better yet, There Was a Time?

    But pretty sure JJP is changing, and ridiculous narrow-body pivot aside, that's not necessarily all bad.

    #644 25 days ago
    Quoted from delt31:

    Upper pf looks like a piano

    I’m thinking a stage

    #645 25 days ago
    Quoted from wyopin:

    I’m thinking a stage

    yep def could be. Whatever it is - def upper pf. I'm down with that.

    #646 25 days ago
    Quoted from vireland:

    No, it made sense yesterday, you just didn't know it yet. Today is the start of info.
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-jjp-game-announcement-coming-soon/page/56#post-5879045

    Fine, you win. Ha!

    #647 25 days ago

    Why should you wait? Cause this guy has just seen gameplay video and says so:

    https://soundcloud.com/kanedapinball/gnr-gameplay-video-holy-fk

    #648 25 days ago

    Let’s hope he’s spot on

    #649 23 days ago
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    #650 21 days ago

    A given they're gonna be on - hope there's a way to quickly get out of ballad modes

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