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Why were 80s/90s Gottlieb/Premier Games so Cheesy?


By pezpunk

3 years ago



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    #23 3 years ago

    I'm pretty new to pinball, but played a lot in the mid 70s to early 80s. Frankly I see a lot of the 70s stuff by Gottlieb as absolutely gorgeous, I suppose due to Gordon Morrison's designs and art.

    But wow. The eighties stuff. Just scary.

    I actually don't like licensed themes much (IMO a great game can be ruined by a bad licensed theme) but what's even worse are imitations of already cheesey themes.

    Just my opinion. I've noticed before that what's cool seems to change the more distance we are from it. Maybe in 10 years well all think Raven is a super cool design with great imagery.

    #25 3 years ago

    Ya know, a lot of the themes from Bally and Williams (I think) were pretty cheesey too, so it's probably not too fair to Gottlieb to pick on just Gottlieb.
    The 80s seems like a real mixed bag to me.

    #31 3 years ago
    Quoted from SealClubber:

    Apparently a photograph was cheaper than an artists work. Translites were definitely cheaper than a screened backglass. As for the cheesiness factor, well, some weren't too bad when compared to the time period but others were just horrid (Genesis).
    Gold Wings was pretty popular around my area when I was a kid. I played two different machines. Not sure if they were owned by the same Op though.

    I think you nailed it. It's not just the themes. There are some "cheesey" eighties themes from all the other companies. In fact, most pinball themes are pretty cheesey when you get down to it.

    That's not the problem for me.

    Gottlieb seems to have skimped here in a way that isn't explicitly obvious.
    The models and photography are almost amatuerish, and this could be part of the cost cutting.

    Combined with faded translite, it just doesn't look as good as machine from others that had other themes that were in tune with that era.

    So I wonder: I think the "Raven" theme could be cool. And when you describe it, it seems like it could work. A female Rambo? Sure!

    But the mediocre photography and execution hurt it.

    I think that's the issue for me.
    Now, imagine if Gordon Morrison had a chance to do Hollywood Heat? Hot Shots? Raven?
    I think that would be awesome!

    On the other hand, imagine what Joker Poker would look like if it was done in the late 80's or early 90's? Probably Bad Girls with funny hats?

    #33 3 years ago
    Quoted from mbaumle:

    It's a shame that Genesis's backglass is so bad... I quite like the game otherwise.

    Lol... I googled it because I wasn't quite sure "how bad" it can be.

    The first backglass I found looked like the female robot from Metropolis. That seemed okay.

    Then I kept scrolling. Oh my. I see what you mean.

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