It is really a beautiful machine, cool upper pf with great assets and state of the art technology. It is mesmerizing.

After time, I found the machine was impressive in every way except for playing.

"I played in a death-metal band. People either loved us or hated us. Or they thought we were just OK."

- Mitch Hedberg

I've owned every JJP game (except Wonka) so you can also count on some JJP owners to chime in.

GnR is by far their best looking game, but even I had to admit it was becoming less fun to play.

It ain't just Stern fanboys or anti jaxxers.

If you look more closely, there are several posts in this thread from actual JJP buyers.

I think it's a common theme that the game is initially dazzling and enjoyable, but after time, the game play gets repetitive and stale.

Not bashing it, just got tired of it after the beauty wore off.

Here are my reasons:

It felt overly repetitive to go through songs. The mini wizard modes were not challenging to reach, they were low scoring and not very rewarding.

But it was a very beautiful game with a very cool upper pf.

You were the reason I held onto the game as long as I did.

I loved your enthusiasm, your fully shared knowledge of the strategy, and all of your positive posts about the game. It kept me going, trying to achieve that level of nirvana.

I understand what is great about the game. I also understand what is not great about it. And the latter eventually prevailed.

I totally appreciated it for what it was. It was a high tech beauty. No other game compares.

But to call it "nitpicking" when playing it became increasingly less fun isn't accurate.

For people who love pinball, it's the most valid reason why I see so many for sale - it's just not that fun.

You both seem like really nice guys but I saw and heard your POTC Elite Topper reveal video. So I'll say it: You guys appeared like total shills.

You were boasting about how impressive it was without even opening the box. You were selling FOMO as much as the topper, telling viewers to pause and submit an order before they're all gone.

It was actually funny.

And neither of you mentioned how choppy and mechanical the waves moved. It was odd not to notice.

I was specifically responding to the comment of being shills.

I can accept that your gushing commentary was authentic, however the youtube video also included a disclaimer of compensation.

That added to the perception of shilling the product to increase sales.

If you guys were compensated, the shilling label is fair. If not, please accept my sincere apology for being fooled.

If you don't accept compensation, and openly review all products (those you like and believe in, and those you don't) there is no chance of creating the perception of shilling.

A shill is a person who praises or promotes something because they secretly have a personal stake in it (ie compensation.) It's not important if you really like it or not.

If you only praise products you are paid to praise, your intentions can be misconstrued.

You guys seem very decent with good character, and I believe you love the products you showcase. But if you're being compensated, you shouldn't be upset if someone perceives it as shilling.

It also doesn't mean I don't watch your videos from time to time either.

GZ are available for above buyer's cost.

GnR are available for below cost.

I'm guessing the reasons are entirely different.

I really think more GnR owners are selling than are GZ owners which is creating the over-supply and pushing prices down.

Plenty of GnR preorders have been waiting for their NIB, while earlier GnR games have changed hands multiple times. I personally know one GnR that is on its 4th owner.

Not sure how I'd feel waiting for delivery on a full price GnR, while so many are changing hands for less money.

That's just not happening with GZ. Fewer owners are selling.

No? That's how you described Ohio when you went to Canton on a business trip.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/ot-official-2013-2014-nfl-thread/page/837#post-6863923

The lights, video, and music draws you in, while the repetitive trudging through songs wears you out. And it's all the worse if you fall to collect a big song jackpot. Scoring is so unbalanced.

The destination (high score) is the goal, but the journey to get there is like the being in the middle seat on a bumpy flight with crying babies on both sides. Just not worth the trip.

The problem is how incredibly low scoring the entire game is for all the effort put in to build the uncollected jackpot.

It's all or nothing. Play effort is not commensurate with score.

Not every game is so unbalanced to rely on a single shot at the end of a long session to receive the score you "earned."

It's like owning a boat. The two happiest days of GnR are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.

I too was so happy when I first got the game. It was an incredible experience playing it. Nothing else could compare to the technology.

Just wait. The honeymoon will end hard once you move past its exterior beauty and discover how repetitive it starts to feel.

Obviously some enjoy it, but this is the reason why so many GnR's are for sale allowing you to score a deal.

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Yeah I was just using it as a familiar reference.

I don't have anything against boats.

This thread isn't about buying or not buying GnR. It's about selling, and why so many keep coming up for sale.

And now it's also about boats.

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.

There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.

I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.

Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.

At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

Totally agree.

Easy to be patient with these ridiculous used GZ prices.

Thanks Todd, but I was referring to GZ.

I was looking for GZ but it's hard to find right now without paying scalper prices.

I see plenty of GnR's to pick from. My local CL currently has two listed for sale - immediate pickup with no shipping or tax.

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Wow, this statement from a year ago couldn't have been more wrong.