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Why so many JJP GNR's for sale? Is it that bad?

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#401 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

Figured,I just bought my first turbo. Takes some getting used to.

And some need to be tuned for sure. A stock WRX is maybe the worst car I've ever drivin.

#402 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

My first car was a 1981 Chevy Citation; my only 'Merican car

Had em all, 20 yr old daughter asks for the Ford fob before the wife’s Benz, , Merica!

#403 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

And some need to be tuned for sure. A stock WRX is maybe the worst car I've ever drivin.

Yeah, I have 2.7 eco boost twin turbo, she scoots, but definitely more there.

#404 1 year ago
Quoted from dts:

Looks like there are 13 GnRs for sale right now, and 20 Godzillas. Who cares? I sold my GZ but still have GnR, just my preference, for now. I may go back to GZ again later and sell GnR. It's all just for fun.

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.

There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.

I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.

Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.

At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

#405 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

My first car was a 1981 Chevy Citation; my only 'Merican car

I had a Citation in mid 80s - what a pos

#406 1 year ago
Quoted from RTS:

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.
There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.
I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.
Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.
At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

I just put my name in for a Premium(March 2023) but I was told only 60 Days on the Pro.

#407 1 year ago
Quoted from blacklightprod:

I honestly don't listen to Guns N Roses music although I do like some of their songs. Being truthful I don't really listen to Aerosmith, ACDC, Beatles, and basically all these music pins. With that being said I have a Guns N Roses, Beatles, Aerosmith, Metallica, etc. Why because they're all great games and just calling a spade a spade NO MUSIC pinball has ever captured the theme under glass like Guns N Roses. GNR pinball is simply the best music pinball by far if not the greatest themed game in pinball history. You might not love all the shots, the game rules, or whatever no one likes every aspect of every game. With that being said the GNR is fun, and the theming has never been matched by a single pinball game ever created. Name one? If you're a GNR fan then you're on cloud nine to own this game. If you're a pinball collector this is a MUST HAVE. If you're a tournament player then maybe or maybe not the game for you.
Everything always boils down to what you're specifically looking for in a game. I think the people on pinside need to understand there are more types of buyers than just your tastes. Maybe your background is simply hardcore pinball tournaments not every game is for you. If you're a hard core collector then like all the shots or not you HAVE TO BUY A WIZARD OF OZ. Maybe for you its all about the theme, doesn't matter how good the pinball game is or isn't... someone makes star wars day one you're buying.
Everyone buys for different reasons. With all that being said there are hundreds of reasons to buy Guns N Roses. The artwork is amazing, lighting, sound, graphics, integration of theme, and the amazing layout. To each their own.
When production stops on Guns here soon as JJP ramps up their next game, watch GUNS over the next year skyrocket in value.
Anyway my take.

I haven't played many games on it(might get boring) but the few that I did play were some of the best pinball I have ever played. And I don't much like Guns and Roses.

#408 1 year ago
Quoted from RTS:

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.
There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.
I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.
Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.
At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

I see a couple of dealer ads but 18 appear legit across the three models. I sold my LE to a buddy within a month of owning it but got back in line for a Pre to give it another try with more code. My point is that the number of games for sale may not mean much, especially with high volume games in production.

#409 1 year ago
Quoted from blacklightprod:

Pinside honestly is a very toxic place to debate subjects. Talking about how to fix a game amazing. No one is allowed their own opinion or a difference of opinion. I think what I said was very fair guns n roses has more put into that game than any game ever made. The amount of artistry, toys, artwork, lighting I mean drum sticks for a rail. C'mon. Again you may not like the game but it doesn't change the fact more effort was put into creating this game than anything ever created for pinball.
I realize it started about how many are for sale but in typical pinside fashion the topic changed. My opinion on why so many are for sale is simple the game has been out for almost 2 years, and JJP has sold about 4,500 games. That isn't unusual. Furthermore you see a lot of games for sale people are clearing space for the new JJP to the next Stern. I don't see anything unusual there.
Again if you're a GNR or music pin fan you'll never sell that game. I look around I see every title for sale it is what it is.
As boats it is boat season. So you have that.

Pinside is not toxic. People are toxic. You always have the choice on who you interact and hang out with.

#410 1 year ago
Quoted from RTS:

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.
There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.
I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.
Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.
At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

Owners not selling yet.... it will happen make no mistake. There are a shit load of them out there and that would bother me if I grabbed one now. Im patient and waiting.... couple more elwins down the line and these will readily pop up. Simple fact is every swinging dick in the hobby has one or is getting one so fast forward ahead and GZ is not going to be hard to acquire.

#411 1 year ago
Quoted from RTS:

This thread isn't about buying or not buying GnR. It's about selling, and why so many keep coming up for sale.
And now it's also about boats.

And Fords

#412 1 year ago
Quoted from John1210:

Owners not selling yet.... it will happen make no mistake. There are a shit load of them out there and that would bother me if I grabbed one now. Im patient and waiting.... couple more elwins down the line and these will readily pop up. Simple fact is every swinging dick in the hobby has one or is getting one so fast forward ahead and GZ is not going to be hard to acquire.

Totally agree.

Easy to be patient with these ridiculous used GZ prices.

#413 1 year ago
Quoted from blacklightprod:

Pinside honestly is a very toxic place to debate subjects.

Pinside is a great place to debate subjects. Where else can you have a passionate discussion with people about the letter H?

#414 1 year ago
Quoted from Jaybird815:

Had em all, 20 yr old daughter asks for the Ford fob before the wife’s Benz, , Merica!

Lmfao!

#415 1 year ago

As for the topic , I sold mine , and when I get to the 7-8 pin range I will get another .They may have made all 5k LEs for all we know .There will always be dozens for sale so just find your “must sell” guy and you’ll always break even when the time comes .That’s all I got .

#416 1 year ago
Quoted from littlecammi:

I felt really bad for you when I read that you lost your job and your dog.
But you also noted that your wife left you. So overall it looks like you came out ahead.

thanks for trying to cheer me up, but I guess you never owned a Super-Nerf…

#417 1 year ago
Quoted from blacklightprod:

As boats it is boat season. So you have that.

Finally something we can all agree on.

#418 1 year ago
Quoted from RTS:

There are NOT 20 legitimate ads for GZ.
There are still several old ads from distributors for GZ. They are not in stock nor available for shipping right now. I've been monitoring GZ for awhile because I'm interested in it.
I've called several distributors about GZ and they all say it won't be available until late 2022 or 2023 if you didn't preorder.
Hopefully increased GZ production will help bring the used price down. Very few GZ owners are selling, other than at scalper prices way above the plummeting price of GnR.
At least with GnR, you can get a deal below original cost, so that's good.

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#419 1 year ago
Quoted from toddtuckey:

We have new in stock G&R Limited editons for $11,000...from the LAST RUN, late 2021...so all playfield issues worked out and the latest mods! Todd from TNT Amusements [email protected]

Thanks Todd, but I was referring to GZ.

I was looking for GZ but it's hard to find right now without paying scalper prices.

I see plenty of GnR's to pick from. My local CL currently has two listed for sale - immediate pickup with no shipping or tax.

#420 1 year ago

Yeah... GZ is great and getting better. I actually sold/traded my GZ Premium for a JP and $1500 a few weeks back figuring it would be easier to get a GZ down the line than a JP as they are making a ton of GZ.

I am under the impression we will see quite a few G&R come up for sale in the next few months as Toy Story (hopefully) releases. G&R is one of the few games you can get NIB these days so I'm expecting between these two factors for G&R to go down in price a bit. I may snag one for a while. Saw a G&R standard go for $6700 near me last week.

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#421 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

I am under the impression we will see quite a few G&R come up for sale in the next few months as Toy Story (hopefully) releases. G&R is one of the few games you can get NIB these days so I'm expecting between these two factors for G&R to go down in price a bit.

Now that GnR is going off the line (for what will likely be a very long time) the NIB stock will dry up in a few months. By year end, GnR’s will be going up in the price when NIB is unobtainable.

I do wonder how many GnR were made though. Anyone know?

#422 1 year ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Now that GnR is going off the line (for what will likely be a very long time) ...

I'm a fan of JJP GNR...

Having said that, why do you believe they will be off the line for "a very long time"?

I don't think I've ever seen so many variations over time as JJP did with WoZ. I bet we keep seeing various editions for a long time...

#423 1 year ago
Quoted from altan:

Having said that, why do you believe they will be off the line for "a very long time"?

JJP can’t meet their order demand, they did a small run of WW during GnR but that was it. JJP doesn’t change up the line as frequently as Stern. I think they are going to try and release more titles as well, rather than just one every two.

I do agree with you though, they will make more GnR’s with a new art package one day, it’ll happen for sure…I just don’t think it’ll be before 2025(ish).

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#424 1 year ago
Quoted from altan:

I'm a fan of JJP GNR...
Having said that, why do you believe they will be off the line for "a very long time"?
I don't think I've ever seen so many variations over time as JJP did with WoZ. I bet we keep seeing various editions for a long time...

JJP has 4 designers now that will be looking to get new games on the line. I don't think they'll have much time to produce games to fill their back catalogue. Back in the WOZ and Hobbit days they had 1 or max 2 designers which is why you saw so many runs of WOZ and Hobbit.

#425 1 year ago
Quoted from MikeS:

JJP has 4 designers nowthat will be looking to get nee games on the ljne. I don't think they'll have much time to produce games to fill their back catalogue. Back in the WOZ and Hobbit days they had 1 or max 2 designers which is why you saw so many runs of WOZ and Hobbit.

I'm just speculating here, but my gut tells me it's cheaper to keep producing the same game.
Having more designers (and therefore more games) isn't a path to more $$$ unless they can get more volume out of it.
If they improve their manufacturing (aka, more volume), which I assume is something they are working on (because they hired more designers) they'll also be able to make previous games in addition to new ones.
If GNR is popular (I assume it still is), it's hard for me to believe JJP will not make more --- sooner than later.

But who knows... just speculation on my part.

#426 1 year ago
Quoted from altan:

I'm just speculating here, but my gut tells me it's cheaper to keep producing the same game.
Having more designers (and therefore more games) isn't a path to more $$$ unless they can get more volume out of it.
If they improve their manufacturing (aka, more volume), they'll also be able to make previous games in addition to new ones.
If GNR is popular (I assume it still is), it's hard for me to believe JJP will not make more --- sooner than later.
But who knows... just speculation on my part.

I agree but you have to keep your designers happy and keep your product fresh. What if they decided right now to postpone Toy Story 6 months to do another run of Pirates or Wonka because there is still demand and it is cheaper build? I don't think Steve Ritchie or Eric want to wait 3 or 4 years until their next game is releases.

#427 1 year ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I do wonder how many GnR were made though. Anyone know?

I recently took delivery of a LE numbered a little under 3800. How many CE's were produced?

#428 1 year ago
Quoted from Xcel:

I recently took delivery of a LE numbered a little under 3800. How many CE's were produced?

An owner's thread post announced #4059 landed just last week.
They made 500 CE.

#429 1 year ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I do agree with you though, they will make more GnR’s with a new art package one day, it’ll happen for sure…I just don’t think it’ll be before 2025(ish).

Slash said there won't be any more variations , once they're gone that's it .

#431 1 year ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Slash said there won't be any more variations , once they're gone that's it .

Pretty ironic considering the tour/game is named for a 2012 quote from Axl when asked about a reunion. "Not in this lifetime" ...unless the money's right.

#432 1 year ago
Quoted from screaminr:

Slash said there won't be any more variations , once they're gone that's it .

Doesn't Axl own and control the name rights and everything else GnR related into perpetuity? Or did Slash get a pinball carve-out?

#433 1 year ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Doesn't Axl own and control the name rights and everything else GnR related into perpetuity? Or did Slash get a pinball carve-out?

Nobody really knows!!!

I assumed that GNR, INC. is in fact Axl, and everybody else are paid employees at this point, but you never know. Could Axl have been humbled enough by dwindling concert attendance to give some of that back up to Slash and Duff?

#434 1 year ago
Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Nobody really knows!!!
I assumed that GNR, INC. is in fact Axl, and everybody else are paid employees at this point, but you never know. Could Axl have been humbled enough by dwindling concert attendance to give some of that back up to Slash and Duff?

https://www.lizerbramlaw.com/2016/01/19/owns-guns-n-roses/
Nobody knows for sure, although this article points out that nothing was ever officially transferred according to registered trademarks, it remains Axl, Slash and Duff, at least on paper.

1 year later
#435 13 days ago

So I found this post researching whether or not to buy a GnR LE. It was a whirlwind of a post!!

I really want my own pinball machine and only have room for one in my life most likely. GnR is one of my favorite bands and He-Man/MOTU is one of my dream themes. Since no He-Man pin appears to be in the horizon, I've been researching GnR like crazy. I've only ever played an SE on location. Scoop release would shoot the ball straight down the middle every fucking time. Hated it. But that was awhile ago. Apparently, that's an issue easily fixed on a well maintained machine.

I found one LE near me in the Southside of Pittsburgh. I'll make it down there to play it sometime soon. I wanted to ask everyone how they felt since recent code updates? Anyone have any insight?

#436 13 days ago
Quoted from ChuckRock:

So I found this post researching whether or not to buy a GnR LE. It was a whirlwind of a post!!
I really want my own pinball machine and only have room for one in my life most likely. GnR is one of my favorite bands and He-Man/MOTU is one of my dream themes. Since no He-Man pin appears to be in the horizon, I've been researching GnR like crazy. I've only ever played an SE on location. Scoop release would shoot the ball straight down the middle every fucking time. Hated it. But that was awhile ago. Apparently, that's an issue easily fixed on a well maintained machine.
I found one LE near me in the Southside of Pittsburgh. I'll make it down there to play it sometime soon. I wanted to ask everyone how they felt since recent code updates? Anyone have any insight?

It’s definitely not for everyone, might be harder to sell if you don’t like it. But if you find something for a good deal (just don’t overpay) you should be ok.

I absolutely hate it but I know others that love it.

#437 13 days ago
Quoted from rai:

It’s definitely not for everyone, might be harder to sell if you don’t like it. But if you find something for a good deal (just don’t overpay) you should be ok.
I absolutely hate it but I know others that love it.

Well said. I think the game is pretty awesome, but the scoring was garbage... but it seems they're fixing that as we speak.

#438 13 days ago
Quoted from ChuckRock:

...'ve only ever played an SE on location. Scoop release would shoot the ball straight down the middle every fucking time. Hated it

Thats a lot more to hate than the scoop on the SE; Horrendous game. You gotta go thr upper models for sure.

#439 13 days ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Thats a lot more to hate than the scoop on the SE; Horrendous game. You gotta go thr upper models for sure.

I definitely plan on going for an LE. Found one for 8500 NIB. I really need to try it out on location though. No way I'm plunking down that without trying it again. Especially after my SE experience.

#440 13 days ago

I love GnR. My wife and I decided to buy one. It stayed in house for 3mths. The gameplay was overwhelming multiballs, the scoring was really wacky, tough to restart the multiballs. But the music was great, just don't watch the video, which is new and doesn't match up with the music. Also don't go watch the recent video of them to see what they currently sound like.

#441 13 days ago
Quoted from ChuckRock:

I definitely plan on going for an LE. Found one for 8500 NIB. I really need to try it out on location though. No way I'm plunking down that without trying it again. Especially after my SE experience.

You’d want to make sure it’s a later run. I’m not sure how to verify w/ out seeing the born on date on the back of the game. I say this because the earlier versions had more problems w/ pooling and chipping. Personally I’d rather snag a used one than gamble on one I couldn’t see… unless there is a way I’m unaware of to verify manufacture dates. - my 2 cents.
I like my gnr but don’t play it often hopfully they get the scoring fixed up. Guests and non pinball friends that come over love it. It’s got the presentation thing for sure! I’m disappointed jjp dropped support for scorebit stating it was because they were coming out w/ their own… and crickets.

#442 13 days ago
Quoted from ChuckRock:

I definitely plan on going for an LE. Found one for 8500 NIB. I really need to try it out on location though. No way I'm plunking down that without trying it again. Especially after my SE experience.

NIB? Are dealers selling it that cheap??

#443 13 days ago

I’ve played GnRs on location that had been configured to make constant multiballs less of a problem and - with that fixed - it’s a fun pin.

#444 13 days ago
Quoted from Doctor6:

NIB? Are dealers selling it that cheap??

If they’ve been sitting on it a couple years they may be willing to dump for loss for liquidity. This happens from time to time.

#445 13 days ago

I love my LE, and you have to go LE on this game. Yes it’s a lot of mini multi balls, but once you understand the need for them it makes sense. If you’re a gnr band fan like me, you’ll probably love the game. It’s not for everybody, but right now the prices are really low. Once this new code releases which fixes the scoring complaints and wizard mode values, the game will most likely get the value back up a bit. The LE is gorgeous too, so I’d say try one, buy one if you like it and just enjoy it regardless of what others think.

#446 12 days ago

.

Quoted from TigerLaw:By year end, GnR’s will be going up in the price when NIB is unobtainable.

Wow, this statement from a year ago couldn't have been more wrong.

#447 12 days ago

Wrong!!!! You need the one in 500 CE with the coma lock in the apron , not to mention the way better glitter playfield !!!!!! Haha any which way you get a great game

Quoted from konghusker:

I love my LE, and you have to go LE on this game. Yes it’s a lot of mini multi balls, but once you understand the need for them it makes sense. If you’re a gnr band fan like me, you’ll probably love the game. It’s not for everybody, but right now the prices are really low. Once this new code releases which fixes the scoring complaints and wizard mode values, the game will most likely get the value back up a bit. The LE is gorgeous too, so I’d say try one, buy one if you like it and just enjoy it regardless of what others think.

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