Quoted from cscmtp:

laughing at all the down votes in this thread. 99% of the non flattering comments are from prior owners, who have a right to that opinion (one I share completely) It doesn't matter how beautiful the pin is (and no one will argue its not gorgeous) but the issue has NOTHING to do with a tired theme. I also don't think its a code issue. There just isn't a lot of variety of shots and things to do with this pin. The whack-a-mole pop ups get old. This is the first pin I can EVER recall that I got sick of multi balls (where normally you get super excited for that) When you spend $7500-$9000 on a pin, you'd hope it would be fun to play, and have staying power. I don't think this pin had either. I was VERY lucky to trade mine for a STLE. Oh, and I am almost anti Stern now, anything but a JJP basher. In fact my Wozle is one of my favorite pins and I have a deposit down for Pirates. And to be fair, mine never had any issues with something breaking or looking/feeling cheap. It was VERY well made. Just wasn't a good design. At all.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

Houdini looks pretty damn good so far.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Hobbit is phenomenal - it's the best modern game to properly integrate its licensed theme. The music is breathtaking, the display is outstanding, the depth of content is unprecedented, and as usual - Keith can take any playfield and make it amazing with his incredible rules.
Unfortunately it got a bad rap for having a shitty reveal, years of delays, and people not giving a crap about the movies.
On top of that, it's the type of game that can't be appreciated fully if it's in a noisy location and you can't hear it.
On top of that, "hobby tastemakers" have changed, and the appreciation of super deep games like TSPP and LOTR are no longer in favor....people want flow flow flow, 3 minute games.
On top of that, you have people who never bothered to understand the game constantly lying about it...the lies about upper flipper doing nothing or it being hard to understand if you don't look up. Absolute lies. The book on the playfield ALWAYS tells you what to do, there are constant call outs about which ramp or object to hit, and the color coding is CONSISTANT - the mode shots are ALWAYS orange, Dwarves are always purple, locks are always green, etc.
Hobbit perfectly accomplishes what it sets out to do as a licensed Hobbit game...it's a beautiful & long quest-style game.

Quoted from Mike_J:

Too many people don't get that.

Quoted from iceman44:

For all the blah blah blah back and forth, whether you like it or not it doesn’t matter.
The point of the thread is simply that anybody that wants to pick up a TH right now can get it in low $6k’s