(Topic ID: 15170)

Why rate like this?????


By simonakapw

7 years ago



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    #51 7 years ago

    There was a guy on IPDB that gave everything a 3 except maybe 1 or 2 out of a hundred. For that reason I think the rating points themselves only tell a small part of the story. You have to read at least a random sampling of the reviews.

    In general when dealing with the populace at large, there will always be "deviation". LOL

    #52 7 years ago

    He who Trolls the Trolls, Trolls most.
    He who doesn't Troll, Trolls least.

    Zen Saying...

    #53 7 years ago

    Hmmm. Maybe his computer died before he could finsh all the questions for rating MM and WW??

    Pin envy??

    #54 7 years ago

    I noticed the same thing when Mystery Castle first appeared on the top 100 after getting 10 reviews. The next week there were 15 or 16 total reviews and it fell about 40 spots 14th to 53rd. Pretty sure some douche got pissed because it bumped their favs down a notch. While a few BS ratings probably wont do much to games like MM TZ AFM ect that have hundreds of people rate them some of the games with a smaller ratings sample can really be affected.

    #55 7 years ago
    Quoted from ssbodyman:

    some of the games with a smaller ratings sample can really be affected.

    i would say the ratings for mystery castle may have been artificially high due to an abnormally high percentage of the raters also being owners of the machine. I only see the ratings comments for 4 of the ratings and three of the raters are also owners. I believe people who own machines tend to rate higher than non-owners. Just a thought. It might not be correct.

    #56 7 years ago

    So many factors go into rating a pin, including how much time you've spent on it. What's a fair amount of time? Most of the pins that I've rated I've owned, so you'd think those would be valid. But as others have said, you often tend to rate the ones you own higher (I'd like to think that I don't do that though). So how much time should you spend playing pins that you don't own before being able to make a valid rating?

    #57 7 years ago
    Quoted from RobT:

    So many factors go into rating a pin, including how much time you've spent on it. What's a fair amount of time? Most of the pins that I've rated I've owned, so you'd think those would be valid. But as others have said, you often tend to rate the ones you own higher (I'd like to think that I don't do that though). So how much time should you spend playing pins that you don't own before being able to make a valid rating?

    I dunno but you can also change your rating at any time. I rated BSD kind of low after playing it 3-4 times. 3-4 months later, being a better player and having watched Bowens tutorial, I understood the game more and rewrote my initial rating. I dont think I will change my Godzilla rating anytime soon though lol.

    #58 7 years ago

    I personaly prefer to use the specialist list. The guys on there seem to be more in line with what I feel about pins. I read the ratings but I do not worked up over the silly rating on either end. There are some perfect 10 ratings that I feel are just as silly as the low ones.

    #59 7 years ago

    Robin, can we get a 3 separate "owners" , "previously owned", and "wishlist" ranking lists where it shows tallies of only those people that either have, had, or want a game.

    That may actually provide a really nice tool?

    It seems you likely have all of this data already, assuming people have actually entered their game lists. Could also make it possible for people to update game lists but opt not to make them public (I know some don't use the game history/recording feature as they do not like that info public).

    just thinking out loud.

    #60 7 years ago

    Well you are entitled to you opinion, whether someone else likes it or not.......so we are to eliminate the opinion because we don't like it? That is manipulation also.....

    That said, I dislike whitewater, in fact if it was the only pin left on earth I would not be a pinhead that's for sure, however. My rating is much higher, because there is art, music, and so many other things to a pinball. That said a 2 is an attempt at manipulation (I think) because the art is cool, and the fact that SM is low to leads me to that assumption, SM sound is great.

    But again only my opinion so he could genuinely hate everything about these machines, as long he doesn't go around saying every one is an idiot because we don't agree........

    #61 7 years ago
    Quoted from ovfdfireman:

    doesn't go around saying every one is an idiot because we don't agree........

    Not idiots, monkeys. He/she called everyone who enjoyed MM a monkey.

    #62 7 years ago
    Quoted from rommy:

    Not idiots, monkeys.

    That's right. And we all agree that primates aren't idiots, right???
    Even though monkeys are no where near as smart as gorillas, of course....

    #63 7 years ago

    You know what, all of your pinball machines are total junk! I'll be happy to take them all off your hands!

    Pinball makes me happy! I really don't give a hoot what someone else says about my favorate games. Ex. Road Show, WH2O MM etc. I love them! And i'll bet ialways will!

    -Aaron

    ps. Sorry, I had to!

    #65 7 years ago

    The monkey comment should be removed solely because it's a petty insult. But that's not really what this thread is about. It's about calling for moderating/eliminating ratings that don't jibe with the board consensus.

    Immediately below the monkey guys rating for MM is one that just says "best pinball machine" and is rated 10's across the board. Is this not just as egregious and in fact, much more common?

    Tracy

    #66 7 years ago
    Quoted from jitneystand1:

    Immediately below the monkey guys rating for MM is one that just says "best pinball machine" and is rated 10's across the board. Is this not just as egregious and in fact, much more common?

    The unusually high and low ratings should even out in the end, the only time when it really affects the ratings are when the sample size is really low.

    #67 7 years ago

    this is why a top 10 list anywhere, just like medieval madness, is overrated. play some low value games, you may find you like them. the "Top 10" on IPDB? 1/2 of them barely deserve top 50, and 1 should be lower than 1000.

    i don't rate games unless i own them. but i've played all of the "top 10s"...from a beater WH2O to a chris hutchins WH2O, the MMs, the TAFs, the LOTRs, and that huge turd, ManlyHands...lists suck.

    #68 7 years ago
    Quoted from Dewey68:

    the only time when it really affects the ratings are when the sample size is really low.

    Exactly. There are countless worse ratings violations (one game on one pin they were expecting to hate and then they rate it poorly), but when someone doesn't appreciate a consensus title the ranks of the "thought police" swell.

    Moderating name calling, combativeness and childishness are one thing, but the calls for moderating opinions are entirely another.

    Tracy

    #69 7 years ago

    You know, I would say opinions can also vary wildly too with time.

    Case in point, yesterday, I had the opportunity to play a RFM. I remember how much I was completely and totally enthralled with AFM back in 1996, and when I first played RFM in 1999 - I HATED it. I absolutely in every single way imaginable detested it. I had such hate for that machine that when I saw B/W shut their doors, my opinion was something colorful like: "Well yeah, if P2000 was what was coming next out of your doors, I'd certainly shut them too." Absolutely loathed RFM , and my goodness, SWEp1 - oh gag me with a sewer-infested fork.

    I, then had the opportunity to play RFM in summer of 2011, and I didn't hate it, but I simply couldn't get "into it." My hate had changed to indifference. Fast-forward to yesterday, I had a chance to play a very well-taken care of RFM, and man, that machine lit me up. I totally loved it - and I agree - I can't understand how Getaway is ranked higher than RFM. The engineering marvels that RFM represents are simply staggering. There's one reason why HS2 is ranked higher than RFM: Steve Ritchie. You take his name off the machine, and it would be just "another pin" next to LW3 and JP2/Lost World. No one would care about it.

    Anyways, my point is opinions change with time. It took me 13 years to come around and enjoy RFM. I liked it so much - I'll be honest - I'm considering buying one down the road. Same thing could be said for these "hammered in stone" Internet opinions. People could change their minds about a game, go back to their opinions and change them. Some will, some won't - but they are just armchair internet opinions. Remember, people have a tendency to say what's on their mind unabashed ALOT more on the internet than IRL. Someone could totally bash MM, but then when they're over at your house.."Man, dude...like...MM..Dude...it's like DA BEST EVAH!!!!!" People get a lot more brave when their words carry a high level of anonymity. It's called being "too scared to speak your mind" syndrome.

    There are probably some others that rate pins excessively low to "make a statement". For example, I completely and totally love AFM... from my childhood. It's a great and fun game with an outstanding and timeless theme - aliens taking over the world in a 1950's persona. I loved it, until I saw how market-inflated the price of the game has become.

    ** Personal opinion alert - if you have a chub for AFM, you might not want to read this! ** I am so sick of seeing AFM start at $8k; it makes me roll my eyes everytime I see the bids/selling price for it. Pin envy or price envy..? Yeah, I'll admit it - part of me is annoyed I can't afford something from my childhood that I love so much. Do I hate the game over it - no. It's kinda like crude oil. Do I hate crude oil - no. I hate all the factors that have driven the price of crude through the roof. Hence, why I have referred to AFM and certain other titles as "crude oil" pins. Just my opinion ** End of personal opinion **

    See, that was my opinion, and everyone who has read it is still alive. Those who own AFM can go "well, that's nice - I have AFM and love it and your opinion is just that - yours." They weren't offended; they simply observed my opinion and moved on with their life. Like me, I own 3 machines, and JP is prolly the biggest childhood memory of the three. Do I get all poo-poo face when someone refers to the TREX as a "brachiosaur" or "the dinosaur that sneezed on the girl in the movie...!" ? I'll admit, I think it was fricking hilarious - and this is the main gimmick/toy in the entire game. Some people say it's a rip-off of Whirlwind in terms of playfield. Ok, so maybe it is - life goes on. Some people say it's one sided with a one trick pony in the TREX and only one ramp/habit trail - yet it's in the top 50. They are all opinions, and as long as I love MY machine - "WGAF?" - seriously.

    Enjoy your games, play your pins, and laugh when someone has something rude to say. Could be worse - we could not own or have ANY pins to play. Now THAT would suck .

    #70 7 years ago
    Quoted from youdontknowme:

    this is why a top 10 list anywhere, just like Medieval Madness, is overrated.

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