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Why not Sell?

By Kwaheltrut

4 months ago


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    “Why not Sell?”

    • Monetary Value - I value this game more than the market does 37 votes
      18%
    • Hassle - I hate dealing with buyers 34 votes
      17%
    • Rarity - If I let it go, I probably won't see another one like it 35 votes
      17%
    • Sentimental - There is a sentimental value on this particular machine 41 votes
      20%
    • Nothing is Sacred - If you have enough cash, they're all ready to go 54 votes
      27%

    (Multiple choice - 201 votes by 151 Pinsiders)

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    #1 4 months ago

    There's been a lot of forum activity around people selling games over the past year and the current market seems like it very much favors the seller.

    With all of the of the commotion that generally exists around each new grandiose for sale thread, it begs the question: Why not sell?

    What makes you keep the games that you have?

    My best example is probably my TZ. It checks off a lot of the poll items.

    It's by far the best pin ever made (IMO). I got it for a price that I will never likely see again. It's was the prize at the end of the longest road trip (with a friend) that I've ever made for a pin. Overall, I value it more than the market probably does. I won't likely get one back that I want to afford. I've put a ton of sweat equity into it. And, it has sentimental value to me for the stories that go with it.

    If you have a game bolted to the floor, why?

    #2 4 months ago

    To be honest, every game has a price. But, barring stupid amounts of money, Scared Stiff is bolted down. It's the game that started me in this hobby, and I've never gotten over it. I chased it for 20 years. I'm not inclined to let it go.
    Everything else, though, will come and go.

    #3 4 months ago
    Quoted from ThatOneDude:

    To be honest, every game has a price. But, barring stupid amounts of money, Scared Stiff is bolted down. It's the game that started me in this hobby, and I've never gotten over it. I chased it for 20 years. I'm not inclined to let it go.
    Everything else, though, will come and go.

    I have a pokerino that fits that catagory. It's the first game I ever bought. It's by far the least played now. But I can't let it go. It does help that it's not really worth much.

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    #4 4 months ago

    3 examples of games I can’t or won’t sell:

    My R&M is game #1 and very special to me because of what some amazing people did to help me get the game.. it will never leave my collection, I will die with it (hopefully a while from now)

    My TBL i am a huge fan of the movie/theme, I love the game and if I sold it i would be afraid I may never get another.

    My recently restored HEP IJ, the game is absolutely stunning! Chris pulled out all the stops on the restoration. Anyways I promised the very good pinhead I bought it from that i would give him first right of refusal if I ever decided to sell it.

    #5 4 months ago

    Even if I could double/triple or even quadruple my money selling my pins, the wife would put the kibosh on that idea in a heartbeat.

    A good problem to have I guess....

    #6 4 months ago
    Quoted from Concretehardt:

    ...My TBL i am a huge fan of the movie/theme, I love the game and if I sold it i would be afraid I may never get another.

    Didn’t you have a TBL and let it go? You must’ve got another one. They’re certainly a challenge to come by!

    #7 4 months ago

    Nothing is bolted over here. If you’re doing it right and playing the shit out of your games they all eventually get stale. 12-24 months is the usual cycle over here. I turn on 3 games every night to play and if I pass by a game for a couple weeks it’s usually time to go. Selling games can be exhausting at times with all the tire kickers/mouth breathers out there but the swapping out of games with minimal cost is so unique and fun. New pin day is the best!

    Edit: R&M will be the ultimate test for me though. I can’t imagine a game checking more boxes.

    #8 4 months ago
    Quoted from ToucanF16:

    Didn’t you have a TBL and let it go? You must’ve got another one. They’re certainly a challenge to come by!

    Yes this is my third and last TBL, I was an EA that actually got my game years ago I had to sell it and the one I got to replace it (it’s a long story) this one is staying.

    #9 4 months ago

    Every thing is for sale
    I have admitted defeat, 41 games is too many, getting them cleaned up and will halve my collection by the end of the year

    #10 4 months ago

    My LOTR is my only NIB game. I bought it when it was first announced. I've put most mods on it. It's still minty fresh and I love playing it so it's never leaving. My IJ is probably never leaving either.

    #11 4 months ago
    Quoted from Concretehardt:

    Yes this is my third and last TBL, I was an EA that actually got my game years ago I had to sell it and the one I got to replace it (it’s a long story) this one is staying.

    Yeah I can see this. TBL is the best movie ever and I traded away one of the games I thought may have been bolted (DP LE) to get it. But the early achievers finally getting a game always makes me happy.

    #12 4 months ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    Every thing is for sale
    I have admitted defeat, 41 games is too many, getting them cleaned up and will halve my collection by the end of the year

    There are some tough choices in there..

    #13 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    There are some tough choices in there..

    Not really, these days I know what I like and what I don't like
    I like older, simpler games. I don't like "deep" games
    45 minutes to reach the end, no thanks

    #14 4 months ago
    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    Not really, these days I know what I like and what I don't like
    I like older, simpler games. I don't like "deep" games
    45 minutes to reach the end, no thanks

    Those also tend to be the most undervalued games. Makes it easier to let all of the high priced games go.

    #15 4 months ago

    Not for sale, even despite the potential for making some money.

    The same game would have to be ready and waiting for me, but that just doesn't happen for most of what I own.

    I like what I have and don't want to have to search again for it.

    #16 4 months ago

    I decided to go all out on my CP. I restored the game including installing a new (NOS) playfield. The game looks and plays like a new machine. I included gold armor, mirror blades and special topper that I designed. This game is one of a kind now. If I were to sell this, it would just be a distant memory. All the hours spent gone.

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    #18 4 months ago
    Quoted from whthrs166:

    I decided to go all out on my CP. I restored the game including installing a new (NOS) playfield. The game looks and plays like a new machine. I included gold armor, mirror blades and special topper that I designed. This game is one of a kind now. If I were to sell this, it would just be a distant memory. All the hours spent gone.

    I've never done a full playfield swap. If I did, it would have to be a game that I was keeping. The amount of work that goes into that just isn't worth the return you might see selling it.

    #19 4 months ago

    Everything has a price. Sometimes I buy a game and say "bolted to the floor!" and then 9 months later the game is out the door. I usually have games between 6-24 months. I love turnover. I love seeing games come in, but I also love the look on a buyers face when they pick up a game they are really interested in. I once sold a game (Monster Bash SE) to a guy who bought it for his partner as a surprise gift who learned about it right there in my house. That was the best moment.

    I'm going to repeat a lot of what's been said, but I walk around playing games, and if I find myself avoiding hitting the start button, then it's time to go. I had a Dialed In that I LOVED to death. It was modded to hell and had pinstadiums, but every time I walked up to it, I couldn't bring myself to hit that start button. I just didn't want to play it, and that's when it's gotta go.

    I also had a Rick & Morty. I love most things about it, but nobody else really did, and I had the glass off a ton which was really annoying. It went to a great couple only 8 months after I got it. That's a game that I thought "there's no way I'm getting rid of this", but I don't miss it. Pinball is at its best when it's played by my wife and all my friends, so if I'm the only one playing it, I can't really get into it.

    My longest owned game currently is Road Show. That modded chip by soren is one of the greatest things in Pinball and anybody who doesn't know about it is missing out. This easy-to-install MUST HAVE chip changes the game entirely. Road Show was going for 3,000 not too long ago, but this chip turns it into a 5,000 or 5,500 game easily. This should have won "best mod of the year" or at least got more fan fare than it received. Soren killed it, and not enough people out there know about it. If you have Road Show, buying this chip literally turns your game into a brand new game. You're missing out if you don't have it. Go here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-road-show-software-mod

    I'm getting a TBL. It's my favorite movie of all time, almost the only movie I've owned for 20 years. I used to watch it and have it on repeat in the background during my days in college. I can recite the whole thing word for word. I imagine it would be very hard for me to give this game up when it finally arrives. If there's any game I'll keep long term, it'll be this one.

    ........ but I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't.

    Quoted from PopBumperPete:

    Every thing is for sale
    I have admitted defeat, 41 games is too many, getting them cleaned up and will halve my collection by the end of the year

    Where do you live?...... just uhhh........ curious.

    Also, I agree with you. I'm sick of games that could keep me on my feet for 30-45 minutes. Games that are described as a "grind" are not fun. I'm super into the older stuff. Games like Black Knight and Joker Poker are some of my favorites.

    #20 4 months ago
    Quoted from Concretehardt:

    Yes this is my third and last TBL, I was an EA that actually got my game years ago I had to sell it and the one I got to replace it (it’s a long story) this one is staying.

    I’ve got EA30. Which one did you have? Any idea where it is now?

    #21 4 months ago

    3/5 of my games would be very tough to sell for various reasons.

    MMR LE- Was a gift from my ex wife (we are still actually good friends). I played MM quite a bit in college but never really thought about owning one until 10 or 12 years later. By that time the prices were 7k and rising, which I thought was too much. Once they hit 10-12k I wrote the game off as a grail and something that I never really would break down and purchase. Super long story, she purchased one for me Xmas 3 years before it was actually delivered (everyone here knows the pre order drama with PPS) After 3 years of waiting, and a decade of lusting, I would have a really hard time letting that one go...even though it does get the least amount of play in the collection at the moment.

    MET Pre- Perfect theme, integration, art, and gameplay for me. Unlikely I would sell unless I could get a roadcase or MOPLE without too much of a cash outlay

    IMDN Pre- Simply one of the best games I have played, bought NIB and can't imagine selling

    AIQ Pre- Great game and art, the rules confuse me and the callouts and animations are MEH. It could be sold, but it would need to be a great theme and playing game.

    TMNT Pre- Surprisingly fun game. The kids absolute favorite so it gets the most play by ALOT in the lineup. They don't want me to sell, so if I did it would likely need to be approved by the little ones.

    Really wish I had more room! 5 fit comfortably in the game room...not sure If I want to start invading other rooms just yet, or ever.

    #22 4 months ago

    A few of these apply to me. Probably in the following order. They are all just stuff. Some happen to be stuff that I really like.

    Monetary Value - I value this game more than the market does
    Sentimental - There is a sentimental value on this particular machine
    Nothing is Sacred - If you have enough cash, they're all ready to go

    #23 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    I've never done a full playfield swap. If I did, it would have to be a game that I was keeping. The amount of work that goes into that just isn't worth the return you might see selling it.

    Depends on the game, I’ve done swaps on several games and the increased value has allowed me to trade “up” over the years. I hold onto my games longer than most people I know and I only sell or trade a game if there is something I really want to replace it, just did that with a GB for an AIQ.

    #24 4 months ago

    I’m not buying at the prices asked for, I see a lot of overpriced stuff and all the up-bidding will result in new buyers regretting down the road.

    That said, to your question, I can’t replace what I have.

    #25 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    never done a full playfield swap. If I did, it would have to be a game that I was keeping. The amount of work that goes into that just isn't worth the return you might see selling it.

    Yeah it is a labor of love with huge self satisfaction. Fortunately for me CP is an easier game to do that to. All the coils just unplug so you can just leave the harness lay in the bottom of the cabinet. It took me 20 hours to do it.

    #26 4 months ago

    I haven't sold anything. Half my games are projects meant for when I have more time in retirement. The other half I play and tinker. I am out of room and need to sell something but I would rather just make more room for now. Garage/shop addition is being built now. Small house addition might be next

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    #27 4 months ago

    I don't need the money but I do need the pinball.

    #28 4 months ago

    Clearly topic posted by a " Investor " not a " collector " . Investor fine if that's your thing .

    Collector searches for title he/she desires . Drives long distances . Stays up long nights paying for and loading games from amusement auctions. Networks other hobbiest , route operators , arcade and bar owners for title of he/she dreams . Buys broken game and fixes not to flip but to save the game .

    This is a discussion not a solely collectors site . More inclusive poll would have .

    Why sell games , it's only money !

    Shane

    #29 4 months ago

    Money comes and goes but my pins are here to stay.

    P.s. the two sold in my profile were my sons.

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    #30 4 months ago

    Gravity. Easier to get the machines into the basement than out.

    #31 4 months ago
    Quoted from bepositive:

    Clearly topic posted by a " Investor " not a " collector " . Investor fine if that's your thing .
    Collector searches for title he/she desires . Drives long distances . Stays up long nights paying for and loading games from amusement auctions. Networks other hobbiest , route operators , arcade and bar owners for title of he/she dreams . Buys broken game and fixes not to flip but to save the game .
    This is a discussion not a solely collectors site . More inclusive poll would have .
    Why sell games , it's only money !
    Shane

    I don't think I would consider myself to be a collector based on your definition. More of a tinkerer that found a great material to work with. However, I would consider myself to be more of a collector than an investor. I don't see pinball being any better an investment than something like GME stock. I still own the first game I bought and I purposely sought out all of the current titles in my collection.

    I tried adding your option to the list but couldn't figure out how to addd to the poll.

    I did consider that option, but originally felt that it was captured by the monetary value option. If the game is worth more to you than the value that others place on it monetarily, then it transcends above that.

    The subtext of my question is kind of nodding at all of the pinball price threads and those that are outraged by asking prices being thrown out there.

    If people are really getting exorbitant amounts of money for selling off their games, why not join the crowd and sell yours too?

    Perhaps the answer is that money is just money and pinball machines are more valuable to some of us than that.

    #32 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    I don't think I would consider myself to be a collector based on your definition. More of a tinkerer that found a great material to work with. However, I would consider myself to be more of a collector than an investor. Pinball machines don't seem to be any better an investment to me than something like GME stock. I still own the first game I bought and I purposely sought out all of the current titles in my collection.
    I tried adding your option to the list but couldn't figure out how to addd to the poll.
    I did consider that option, but originally felt that it was captured by the monetary value option. If the game is worth more to you than the value that others place on it monetarily, then it transcends above that.
    The subtext of my question is kind of nodding at all of the pinball price threads and those that are outraged by asking prices being thrown out there.
    If people are really getting exorbitant amounts of money for selling off their games, why not join the crowd and sell yours too?
    Perhaps the answer is that money is just money and pinball machines are more valuable to some of us than that.

    #33 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    If people are really getting exorbitant amounts of money for selling off their games, why not join the crowd and sell yours too?
    Perhaps the answer is that money is just money and pinball machines are more valuable to some of us than that.

    Then you won’t have any games. Most of us bought these to play, enjoy, and share them. Yeah prices are high now, but if you sell everything, you’ll have to pay crazy high prices to get any back. Unless you’re getting out of the hobby or downsizing, this isn’t a better time to sell than any other.

    #34 4 months ago

    For me the issue with selling any pin (I only own 3) to maximize returns is multi-fold:

    - The 3 pins I have are my favorites for different reasons, and there aren't other pins I want to replace them with right now
    - If I sold them now I would want to replace them and not go without, so I would end up spending as much money or more in the end and probably have less desirable / lower quality pins
    - I may never find a pin with the mods I want at as good of a price and quality I have now to replace a title
    - If I did sell and go without, how long would it be before I could get back into the pinball game at a desirable price point?

    Bottom line for me is that pinball machines are not an investment that I'm looking to turn for profit. Rather, they are an expense. Yes, they are expensive toys that have an emotional attachment to them, but if/when the day comes that I sell them I'll either make money, break even, or lose money and simply view that loss as the price of entertainment.

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    #35 4 months ago

    The phrase “bolted to the floor” needs to die. I see so many people say it for games they’ve owned less than a year and just chuckle. Kudos to those in this thread who admitted they used it and then sold.

    I suspect one of the reasons many people haven’t sold is they don’t need the money. The socioeconomic backgrounds of this forum are not in line with greater society in the least.

    #36 4 months ago

    Anything is for sale at the right price. Of course all of the other factors combine to make the right price on a couple of games astoundingly high.

    I don't want to sell out my collection. If that happened I would have to buy other games to replace them at these inflated prices. I only really list games now to make space for new games. I own pinball for fun, and to tinker a bit.

    #37 4 months ago

    I’d add even more options:

    1. I put too much work into it
    2. Family would be upset
    3. Too flaky/broken to sell
    4. It’s pinball perfection!

    Most of my games fit in multiple categories. For example...
    Lightning: I did a 30-hour cosmetic restoration on it, but I haven’t even gotten to play it because it’s blowing fuses.
    Time Fantasy: my son wants it, the sound is out and I can’t figure it out, and it’s pretty rare and fun.
    Space Station and WW: I did playfield swaps, and they’re pinball perfection

    I sold my 40th pin recently (over 22 years of collecting). I’ve re-acquired 3 of those: OXO, WW and Abra Ca Dabra. The only DMD I sold that I’d love to have back is CSI. The code sucks, but it’s so damned fun to lock balls in the Skull.

    #38 4 months ago
    Quoted from ReadyPO:

    I haven't sold anything. Half my games are projects meant for when I have more time in retirement. The other half I play and tinker. I am out of room and need to sell something but I would rather just make more room for now. Garage/shop addition is being built now. Small house addition might be next [quoted image]

    I can already tell you made it too small. Should had been twice that size.

    #39 4 months ago
    Quoted from digdug2084:

    Anything is for sale at the right price. Of course all of the other factors combine to make the right price on a couple of games astoundingly high.
    I don't want to sell out my collection. If that happened I would have to buy other games to replace them at these inflated prices. I only really list games now to make space for new games. I own pinball for fun, and to tinker a bit.

    I agree. Oppositely though, my goal was not to turn this into another pinball price thread as much as it was to capture the non- monetary value that we place on pins.

    #40 4 months ago
    Quoted from swampfire:

    I’d add even more options:
    1. I put too much work into it
    2. Family would be upset
    3. Too flaky/broken to sell
    4. It’s pinball perfection!

    Those are all good additions. I'll have to figure out how to add them later.

    #41 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    Those are all good additions. I'll have to figure out how to add them later.

    Another option (doesn't apply to me): Why would I sell my pins when I light my cigars with $100 bills?

    #42 4 months ago
    Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:

    Another option: Why would I sell my pins when I light my cigars with $100 bills?

    Space. There's only so many places you an fit 160 pins and Stern just keeps making new LEs...

    #44 4 months ago
    Quoted from John_I:

    Who says prices have peaked?

    Is that a reason why you' don't sell them? Waiting for the peak?

    #45 4 months ago
    Quoted from Kwaheltrut:

    Is that a reason why you' don't sell them? Waiting for the peak?

    No not at all. Just saying high prices are no reason to sell because they may go higher or even a lot higher and then you would be stuck with no pins.

    #46 4 months ago

    SF2 is the DMD that I've owned the longest. My kids learned that there is more to the game than smashing buttons because of it. I have sold off much better games and keep it because it's still a favorite of theirs.

    #47 4 months ago

    Well.. it finally happened. I "think" I'm out of room. 5 pins and my cyberball 2072 is all I reasonably have room for. I totally understand about trading/swapping titles. We swapped an Oktoberfest and a little cash for NIB STh premium. We love STh. Next up was selling a tastefully modded GOTG that was our first NIB and what started all is this. Got a full price offer, but when it was time to pull the trigger, the rest of the family got cold feet. Part of the reason is that it was headed to a barcade, and getting beat up on route was a concern. I know, sounds ridiculous, but it was part of the decision. I do feel that the right trade for GOTG to the right home will happen someday. Until then, the family agrees that we have to go one for one, can't add more. It will always be tough swapping them though. But if one is not getting played much, really need to keep it fresh.

    #48 4 months ago

    Its not always about the money, like the OP said, sometimes the Journey. Being a distributor, its very easy for me to "come across" just about any title i want. Although i have had some of the rarest games, its actually always been about the hunt for me. Once i get something unique, take it to a show, then move it along.

    But my prized game is my Data East GnR, And not because of its value, its actually probably one of the middle of the road games pricewise. But the damn sentimental value makes it priceless. I went through a nasty divorce 20 years ago, and lost my entire collection. Lawyer fees ate it all up. The one game that i missed was the GnR, so 5 years later, I was in the town of the people that bought it from me. I just randomly stopped and knocked on their door. I asked if there was any chance that i could buy my game back (they knew the reason i sold it years earlier) They agreed to sell it back to me, of course at a higher price, lol. So i have the same game that i had twenty years ago, and I bought the game back.

    #49 4 months ago
    Quoted from PinballManiac40:

    I can already tell you made it too small. Should had been twice that size.

    I agree

    It has a second story (pin overflow - I told my wife storage), meant to look like a barn. Ordered the trusses for the second floor and the gothic arch roof before wood prices went out of control. They are sitting on the slab now, waiting for prices to get more reasonable, though they still keep going up...

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    #50 4 months ago

    I care more about the games that I have than money.

    If I want more money I’ll put in more hours or get a second job. I have several rare titles I’ll probably never find again in my lifetime.

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