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Why is pricing such a secret ?


By Hapidance

10 months ago



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    #51 10 months ago
    Quoted from Atari_Daze:

    Well price was not a secret here:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-gilligan-s-island
    OP has over $8K in new parts!

    Quoted from Atari_Daze:

    Well price was not a secret here:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/for-sale-gilligan-s-island
    OP has over $8K in new parts!

    trying to figure out where the last 4k went???? maybe there is still some cocaine and stripper glitter on the glass????

    #52 10 months ago

    I refuse to pay you 52 million for the Ferrari 250 GTO, I will only pay the 18k you said paid for it back in 1962.

    #53 10 months ago

    Change it from Pinside to Whineside for a day!

    #54 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I could go into a tirade about some athlete who is often enough nothing more than a thug getting paid millions of dollars to play a game when teachers, who are trying to prepare future generations for the life ahead of them get paid 50-60 thousand a year to put up with more abuse than you can imagine. Last week a 2nd grader punched my daughter and told her the shut the fuck up and nothing happened to him. Or the fact that cops and firemen get paid nothing. Or I could say that because of the huge salaries of athletes it costs $100 for a seat in the nosebleeds for a football game. But, that's my opinion.

    I won't argue that athletes could live with getting paid less and teachers more. However it is indicative of our society that we value entertainment and celebrity more than education or public safety. Pay is always relative. Athletes makes obscene money compared to teachers because there are:
    1) much fewer of them (scarcity)
    2) the people above them (team owners, GMs, TV advertising Execs, etc) all make EVEN more money. The pie that gets split up is much larger than what we as a society have collectively been willing to contribute to the public works sectors. More money in and industry, higher salaries.

    My point is this though. Much like athletes knowing what other athletes get paid has led them all to receive more money, and allows to have better negotiating points in their contracts. The same could happen in the education sector if all salaries were public knowledge. If a school board administrator made 100k/year and all of the teachers made 30-40k/year, they could leverage that fact if it were public knowledge. Same could be said of firefighters or police officers. Knowing what their bosses make, and what the bosses of bosses make always helps the individual worker and will increase pay. By not having exact knowledge of pay rates throughout the system, they are hamstrung and left to mire only in speculation. More knowledge is always power.

    Hidden knowledge only ever benefits the holder of the resource : be it a pinball machine, a used car, or the public school/fire district budget. Make all expenses and salaries open knowledge and that will not allow those few with the power holding the resource to pilfer the lion's share for themselves.

    Transparency about money shines a light in the darkness and doesn't allow cretins and crooks to hide in the shadows.

    #55 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I could go into a tirade about some athlete who is often enough nothing more than a thug getting paid millions of dollars to play a game when teachers, who are trying to prepare future generations for the life ahead of them get paid 50-60 thousand a year to put up with more abuse than you can imagine. Last week a 2nd grader punched my daughter and told her the shut the fuck up and nothing happened to him. Or the fact that cops and firemen get paid nothing. Or I could say that because of the huge salaries of athletes it costs $100 for a seat in the nosebleeds for a football game. But, that's my opinion.

    I agree with you about the athletes, and team owners, many of them dumber than a box of rocks suck up the resources, as we the taxpayers pick up the tab for all of these overbuilt arenas.

    #56 10 months ago
    Quoted from zr11990:

    I could go into a tirade about some athlete who is often enough nothing more than a thug getting paid millions of dollars to play a game when teachers, who are trying to prepare future generations for the life ahead of them get paid 50-60 thousand a year to put up with more abuse than you can imagine. Last week a 2nd grader punched my daughter and told her the shut the fuck up and nothing happened to him. Or the fact that cops and firemen get paid nothing. Or I could say that because of the huge salaries of athletes it costs $100 for a seat in the nosebleeds for a football game. But, that's my opinion.

    Capitalism 101 -- if you have specialized skills in a field that generates a lot of $$, you're much more likely to get paid. That's why NFL stars and the boys at Goldman Sachs are taking it home. And teachers and police officers -- who create enormous value for our society over time but don't directly/immediately generate stacks of cash -- are relatively poorly compensated. It's not fair, but that's how the US economy is structured.

    #57 10 months ago

    i never found it acceptable to offer or ask personal financial information. i get asked all the time, how much is my rent, what kind of sales does my biz do, how much do i pay my porter, etc... and i always respond w “sorry, i don’t discuss personal information w anyone other than my accountant”. if someone chooses to talk about it, themselves, that’s their prerogative. but i certainly shouldn’t be required or expected to do so. i’m certainly never gonna ask anyone how much THEY make a year!

    #58 10 months ago

    I don't care who knows what I've paid. I cut the shit when dealing with anything financial, and base my pricing on market and demand.

    Buying: what's your firm low end so we can skip the haggle. Whatever I get for an answer is what I decide on.

    Selling: price is always firm on my firm low end. I state that firm means FIRM.

    #59 10 months ago
    Quoted from Hapidance:

    I get sellers want to get rich and buyers want it for free. People REALLY don’t like revealing what they paid/ sold for.
    It’s the dirty little secret of pins .
    What’s the deal?

    Hey can you please disclose all of your financials to us? Curious what we've paid for most of things you own, along with your annual income, taxes, etc.

    Thanks! Just so there's no dirty little secrets.

    #60 10 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Hey can you please disclose all of your financials to us? Curious what we've paid for most of things you own, along with your annual income, taxes, etc.
    Thanks! Just so there's no dirty little secrets.

    if you show me yours, i’ll show you mine!

    #61 10 months ago

    I think many just want to avoid the drama of Pinside.

    #62 10 months ago

    Who is going to honestly say they just paid 10K for Gilligan? You sir or madam, have the stones I admire!

    Disregard, the sale pending flag changed back to black.

    #63 10 months ago
    Quoted from cottonm4:

    It does not matter how much you have in what you are trying to sell. What matters is what is worth.
    Years ago, my uncle bought a backhoe and hired his self out to the electric company. He also did independent jobs.
    He lived on a small town. People would call him up and want some work done. He would quote his rates he needed and they would all hit on him for a cheaper price and hit him with, “but I thought I was your friend.
    You got it for a gift. So what? How much you have in it is not a valid negotiating tool. The correct response for that is GFY.

    That's called "Six Pack Work" Every neighbor wants to hit ya with a six pack for grading their driveway, digging a hole for their gate, moving that rock but when that machine breaks, nobody around!

    #64 10 months ago

    Because if you buy a game and immediately sell it you are flipping it. Bought a few games (some cheap, some at market rate), got them home and within a day or two knew it was not for me. Sometimes I genuinely bought it to flip. A few times I needed the cash because a game I wanted more came up for sale.

    Because people think that they can negotiate you down based on it.

    Because I don't want everyone to know what I have in my collection. It isn't what it would cost me because its taken a lot of good deals to work my way up, but its still a chunk of change.

    #65 10 months ago

    Unless its a game I've had for years (bought before the "bubble"), I usually break even on games, or slightly better. I mean, I'll buy a semi-project, dick around with it for 6 months with new glass/rubber/balls, fix the easy stuff (lights, flippers, switches), but there might be 1 or 2 things i can't get quite right, and by then another project has reared its head.

    #66 10 months ago
    Quoted from guymontag451:

    My point is this though. Much like athletes knowing what other athletes get paid has led them all to receive more money, and allows to have better negotiating points in their contracts. The same could happen in the education sector if all salaries were public knowledge. If a school board administrator made 100k/year and all of the teachers made 30-40k/year, they could leverage that fact if it were public knowledge. Same could be said of firefighters or police officers. Knowing what their bosses make, and what the bosses of bosses make always helps the individual worker and will increase pay. By not having exact knowledge of pay rates throughout the system, they are hamstrung and left to mire only in speculation. More knowledge is always power.
    Hidden knowledge only ever benefits the holder of the resource : be it a pinball machine, a used car, or the public school/fire district budget. Make all expenses and salaries open knowledge and that will not allow those few with the power holding the resource to pilfer the lion's share for themselves.
    Transparency about money shines a light in the darkness and doesn't allow cretins and crooks to hide in the shadows.

    I agree with the first part of your argument, but the second part doesn't work because salaries of all civil servants, teachers, cops, file clerks, ect... are all public knowledge, and available from many sources...at least here in the Empire State. And the school Admins are making 2-3X what the teachers get still, and the salaries have been published for at least the past 20 years...more like 30, and that ratio has remained the same.

    I believe the Freedom of Information Law is what got these released and available to the public.

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