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The playfield on my AF that I owned in the 90’s was an absolute tank. Felt like I had a million plays on it and it held up unbelievable. I will never believe we couldn’t get playfields of a similar quality today if the pin companies really wanted to pay to get it done.
Quoted from Yelobird:Mine had no issues.
Unless your playfield was made using a different process I honestly don’t believe some are fine. It is just a matter of time IMO. The issues will happen to all PF’s eventually IMO.
No offense to Pinside but love him or hate him the K man gets the message out about bad playfields to probably a thousand times more people through social media than this site. Even maybe celebrities or important people who might buy some pins. They certainly have expendable income. Those people would never see what is said on Pinside. I don’t know but I feel like the more people that know about the issue the better.
Quoted from Bublehead:People keep saying the DTS digital printing is superior in print quality and colors to screen printing, which is somewhat true if you use dot per inch resolution numbers from the DTS printer suppliers. However, I would argue, the actual resolution differences are minimal and not that perceivable if the screen printing professional controlling the process knows what they are doing. Which really gets down to the brass tacks on why Mirco continues to be the supplier of DTS playfields and why JJP and Stern live with the results. Bottom Line baby.... the labor costs of a good screen printing department will always cost way more per playfield than the high school dropout idiot sitting next to a DTS printer loading playfield blanks into it and pressing a button. You can even teach him how blow the dust off the plywood and to change dye sublimation rolls, or refill solvent ink tanks when they run out. So I hope you all like chipping and peeling playfields. I am afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
I am afraid we will not get rid of these playfield issues unless companies go back to screen printing instead of DTS digital. Anyone know if Spooky is using DTS digital printing?
Quoted from meSz:I listen to him but I think you’re giving too much credit as most people aren’t going to podcast for pinball information. Think about it, he won best podcast again with a total of 900 and some votes. Not thousands but hundred. Anyone that thinks any podcast is getting any word out to the masses is in denial.
As for other social media, keep in mind that pinball is a predominantly older male hobby. Probably half don’t use nor have accounts for social media.
I would think even Chris would agree he’s not making a big difference.
I will agree and give him credit though for speaking out about it.
I am not giving him too much credit. I just think he is possibly getting the word out to more people which has to be a good thing. And I am not talking about his podcast. I am talking about his FB post. Even people who like video games and TV’s will get some pinball suggestions. Have any idea how many people like video games?
Quoted from Oaken:2 in 100 or 80 in 100, I would feel a lot more comfortable placing an order if I had confidence I would be taken care of it something goes wrong.
As is, it feels more like a scratch off ticket.
How could it be a small number only affected. Did those have a different process in doing the playfield? My guess is 100% will have the negative issues at some point. If you don’t believe that please explain what could be different about the good playfields. I think those saying they have no issues are protecting their resale price or the negative issues just haven’t shown yet.
If the problem with these playfields is the ink is not adhering well to the wood than IMO all the playfields will end up defective. Someone explain how it could be otherwise. I am all ears.......
Quoted from iceman44:I guess I got lucky then Vid
It’s not really Jack though is it?
You are just trying to protect pin resale value. Right?
Quoted from Bublehead:How many times can JJP do this to title after title before the pitchforks and Tiki torches are busted out and people start marching in the streets, carrying their playfields above their heads screaming "JJP will not replace our playfields!" An extreme picture? Yeah, but right now the silence from JJP is deafening.
If JJP’s next title still has these playfield issues I will officially be rooting for their demise. That’s harsh but what they will deserve for treating their customers so badly. It is obscene what JJP is doing to people at this point. Their time to resolve this issue is officially up......
Quoted from iceman44:I mean maybe I am part of the problem because I love my Stern and JJP games and other then GB have never had PF issues
I’d have zero issue buying Toy Story and will do so assuming Lawlor excels again
Quoted from iceman44:I know that Mike. I have an original Wozecle Bader pf! I think. Chips and poor clear
And while it’s not good it still doesn’t bother me when I play it
Now how are people here to believe what you say about quality when you say the only PF issue you ever had was on a GB and then a few posts above that you admit to having PF issues on a WOZ. I don’t believe you at all. You are trying to protect something or someone. I would inspect your pins very carefully if I was buying.
Quoted from zaphX:You’re not supposed to PLAY them Ice! You’re supposed to admire them, mod them, obsess about the cosmetics then sell with under 200 plays.
Pin Derek has spoken..........
Quoted from zaphX:You’re really kind of a dick with that.
There is no “Pin Derek.” It’s a hobby and a pastime not who I am. You don’t know me. Nor do you deserve to.
Can’t you just get a convertible and a leather jacket to get through the mid life crisis? You don’t have to protect companies that don’t deserve to be protected to keep the pinball dream alive. There are people who are very distressed about getting defective playfields here. And you try to downplay and make jokes? I know you haven’t been in the hobby long enough to know the quality we used to get but that is your problem. Not ours. Stop being part the problem and start trying to help or shut your pie hole on the subject.
Quoted from zaphX:I already have a 911 Targa bro. I'm not "protecting" anyone.
From where I sit, I'm having a great time while you're gatekeeping and being angry AF on Pinside.
I win.
Too funny you already have the convertible.Guess it didn’t take. And I am not angry.......I am honest. You come off like some others here who are obviously trying to protect something. There would be no reason to be dishonest about the issues otherwise. That’s not winning where I come from.
Quoted from vid1900:Diamond Plate would not stop the ink from lifting off the playfields
Because it shrinks more, it would probably pull the ink off faster
Agreed. Digital printing should go away and they should use a clear with similar properties to Diamond Plate. I used the Diamond Plate ad as an example of what we had when playfield durability was at it’s peak.
No need for a class action lawsuit. Just have a lawyer call in your behalf and JJP will take care of you IMO. Just tell your lawyer to mention that new playfield quality stamp on the new games. Done and done.
I love the wishful thinking that maybe it is only 10% of PF’s effected by the issues. I bet almost all if not all will have the issues at some point based on what the actual problem is. JJP is loving that the subject keeps getting clouded by people. Maybe it is cure time. Geez.
Quoted from Skyemont:My distributor got an email from Barry today about my GNRCE. They will buy it back and I have until June 7th to make my mind up. If I decline, no other resolution will be offered. They know no CE owner will do this (I think) so it’s a easy way out for them.
They are giving you a full refund on a defective machine. Correct?
Quoted from Skyemont:Yes they would. They said in an email but I don’t want to sell it.
I totally understand. I am sure you will be able to get another PF at some point. Yes you will have to repopulate but if you really want the pin hang in there. In the meantime just tell yourself you will eventually get that new PF and play the heck out of your game.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Allow me to shill for JJP for a moment...
THey are in a super tough and shitty situation, having sold what appears to be (at least) dozens of lemons at an incredibly high cost to seriously discerning buyers. A full refund/buyback is really their best option. They do not want to be babysitting these games for years on end, they don't want to be dealing with these angry buyers and their playfields for the foreseeable future, so they are offering everybody a chance to get out.
It sucks for people who want their games but at this point it makes the most sense for JJP. They want to wash their hands of this fiasco and move on and they'll never be able to do that if they are still dealing with these games for years to come. JJP isn't VW and they don't have the resources for this to go on for years while at the same time making everybody 100 percent happy. So this is what they've come up with.
In a couple hundred retail sales over the past 15 years I've sold a few lemons and eventually a buyback or trade offer has gone out to customers. At some point it's the best for everybody involved and in my case it's always worked out for myself and my customers.
If I owned one of these games I'd definitely be ready to move on with my life and get my money back. I'd know I could always buy one in the future once these issues are sorted out.
I know it sucks but I'd suggest to anyone affected they seriously consider this offer. It's clear JJP doesn't want to deal with these games anymore, so it's shit or get off the pot time for everybody.
Not a few lemons or even dozens. I would say it is in the hundreds. The nature of the problem of ink not adhering to the wood will affect most if not all machines eventually. It is no wonder JJP is ignoring people. This is a disaster in reality.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Offering full refunds isn't ignoring people, nor is it a disaster for anybody but JJP. Hopefully they can make this work.
Well the constant drumbeat here of “ Maybe it is just a few playfields that are defective “ isn’t helping anyone but JJP. The nature of the issue means most will have lifting artwork at some point. Looking at it the correct way is important to getting this resolved.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Constant drum beat?!
I think we all know there's tons of fucked up playfields out there.
There's always a few contrarians but I don't think there's any kind of massive disinformation campaign here. We all know it's a big issue for far too many people and so does JJP.
You go from dozens to a ton. Right………..
Quoted from CrazyLevi:(at least) dozens is what I wrote. So could be 100. Or 1000. That's what (at least) means and it's accurate. We've had dozens of complaints here, not thousands.
I don't understand why everything has to become a pitched battle based upon every single word here; this isn't a court room and we aren't under oath.
It makes it difficult and painful to discuss anything when people want to litigate every fucking word all the way to the Supreme Court.
Well. If I thought it could possibly be a thousand I don’t think I would have said dozens. Feels like you were playing it as probably being a low number of overall PF’s. Maybe I am wrong but it felt that way. Plus you were a person who had downplayed the playfield problem since POTC. Maybe you have come around lately about it being a serious issue. So not actually hanging on every single word. Your intent and past history were more important in what I wrote. You were saying…..
Pinheads are the dumbest group of consumers I have ever seen. And for that reason quality will never really improve.
Quoted from TheLaw:Stopping people from posting on a message board is silly, eXpecially when all you have to do is click a button to block someone
Well we are dealing with Snowflakes who like to cancel people. They need to toughen up a bit or the world will eat them alive.
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