Obviously the vast majority of pinball buyers - be they home or route - don't care about minor playfield flaws.

The only way to protect yourself from the risk of buying a playfield that isn't flawless is to stop buying pinball machines.

Now THERE'S some stories I'd love to hear. What happened?

Does JJP really advertise themselves as "passion over profit" or is that standard Panzer hyperbole?

Damn that was fast! I thought you loved the fuckin thing!

You know man...the “royal” Jack.

Whomever Jack is now.

I think it’s a good bet JJPs pockets aren’t “as deep” as Volkswagen’s. By many billions of dollars.

There’s many who believe JJP still hasn’t turned a profit.

Like most things cars it’s just hard to compare JjP or any other pinball maker to any established car company. They certainly can’t afford the kind of “trust us again” campaign VW had to mount.

I haven't owned a car since 1998 and it was a two-tone silver/gray landau roof 1983 Ford Crown Victoria with all the options which is way cooler than any of the overpriced crap you guys are bragging about so stuff your dicks back in your pants!

God I miss that car.

What were we talking about again?

See now we are taking.

Any idiot with a few bucks can buy a Porsche. Takes a real man to drive a boat.

You seem a little pissed off!

I've been working on pinball machines over 20 years and the last thing I want to do is attempt my first playfield swap...especially on a game I paid LE money for.

Fortunately my LZLE has a gorgeous playfield, guess I lucked out.

Allow me to shill for JJP for a moment...

THey are in a super tough and shitty situation, having sold what appears to be (at least) dozens of lemons at an incredibly high cost to seriously discerning buyers. A full refund/buyback is really their best option. They do not want to be babysitting these games for years on end, they don't want to be dealing with these angry buyers and their playfields for the foreseeable future, so they are offering everybody a chance to get out.

It sucks for people who want their games but at this point it makes the most sense for JJP. They want to wash their hands of this fiasco and move on and they'll never be able to do that if they are still dealing with these games for years to come. JJP isn't VW and they don't have the resources for this to go on for years while at the same time making everybody 100 percent happy. So this is what they've come up with.

In a couple hundred retail sales over the past 15 years I've sold a few lemons and eventually a buyback or trade offer has gone out to customers. At some point it's the best for everybody involved and in my case it's always worked out for myself and my customers.

If I owned one of these games I'd definitely be ready to move on with my life and get my money back. I'd know I could always buy one in the future once these issues are sorted out.

I know it sucks but I'd suggest to anyone affected they seriously consider this offer. It's clear JJP doesn't want to deal with these games anymore, so it's shit or get off the pot time for everybody.

It seems the offer has been renewed and made "official," with a deadline of next week. Let's see if anybody takes them up on it and if JJP follows through. As they are sending out this offer in writing I'm inclined to believe they will.

Offering full refunds isn't ignoring people, nor is it a disaster for anybody but JJP. Hopefully they can make this work.

I think we all know there's tons of fucked up playfields out there.

There's always a few contrarians but I don't think there's any kind of succesfull disinformation campaign here. We all know it's a big issue for far too many people and so does JJP.

(at least) dozens is what I wrote. So could be 100. Or 1000. That's what (at least) means and it's accurate. We've had dozens of complaints here, not thousands.

I don't understand why everything has to become a pitched battle based upon every single word here; this isn't a court room and we aren't under oath.

It makes it difficult and painful to discuss anything when people want to litigate every fucking word all the way to the Supreme Court.

I see what you are trying to do here but probably not worth it when the photo resolution resembles a digital photo produced in 1982. I seriously can't tell what that's supposed to be.

Yep. It is funny how petty the previous complaints seem about “build quality” when people see what serious QC issues actually are.

Teenage girls?

With the obsession with "toys" and dolls I'm thinking younger.

You see, pinball is kinda like cars ....