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Why is JJP still making games with faulty playfields?

By PanzerFreak

2 years ago


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Post #1634 Observations & insight on JJP/Mirco playfield pooling issue Posted by AMSNL (2 years ago)

Post #1649 Uncut playfield photos Posted by AMSNL (2 years ago)

Post #1660 Thin clear coat issues Posted by AMSNL (2 years ago)


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#1335 2 years ago

Yes playfields gets dimpels . It’s normal and will level out after many plays

#1414 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinball-Wiz:

How much does a non-populated playfield cost JJP or Stern I wonder? Does anyone have any idea? I'm guessing $300? Seems like a cheap way to keep people paying $10K for a game happy..

bare JJP se/le playfields are 899 dollar

And the jjp ce playfields are 1099 dollar

No joke

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#1634 2 years ago

Like I talked about with kruzman , here is the real issue. And the Real issue is with mirco. I have Uncut playfields from him to back this all up .

Mirco does the back and inserts for test then prints his games first on wood then clearcoats it.

After that he cuts/drills the holes and kickers/lanes , and clearcoat again. Here is where the issue is. The first clearcoat is still soft and when cutting there is no protection on the cutted sections.you can see that in the pictures .

after the seconds clearcoat is stacked without even had the time to harden Here comes the pooling issue

So for the cut out holes there is no overlap clearcoat on the wood or just so so that chipping is the first thing that will happen. And pooling comes for the thick stacking of the clearcoat in areas around it . There is nothing you can do about it other then to have someone like kruzman or any painter first have to remove the unsettled clearcoat . And refinish it with a new layer and let it sit.

So this has not much to do with the JJP line builders persee, as the clearcoat will stay so soft it will eat any playfield no matter what they do. Yes some hardware can fix some but not the issue that there are there.

JJP also has a contract with mirco when he and his buddies invested money into JJP when they had lots of trouble in 2013-2014. Even if JJP wants out they can’t

And to make it worse for you all.... mirco is making the new JJP no7 playfields as we speak

Here you can see a brand new mini playfield from pirates with those issues can be seen. I will upload pictures later of the uncut playfields
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#1649 2 years ago

As promised , here is the uncut playfield ,i have also from GNR/Wonka And these have the exact same issues,but I show the pirates as it’s easy r to show the faults (btw please don’t send me PM regarding these playfields)

The clear is rock solid this is how it should be , so the issue of the chipping is when it’s cut again and drilled. There is no clearcoat overlap on the drilled parts .

Then it gets another clearcoat that stacks around the drilled/cut area s and then polling happens as you can see the stacking of clearcoat in a few post above this one.

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#1652 2 years ago

Maybe they did this so they can make more playfields as the demand is crazy, thus no time for settling of the clearcoat

The change is I think in the composition of the clearcoat formula also

#1657 2 years ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How do you know this?

We don’t , it’s an assumption that people have now ... and I don’t blame them . But we have to wait and see. Until no7 in out. I just uploaded everything to maybe explain some problems . I really hope mirco fixes the problem

#1660 2 years ago
Quoted from JoeJet:

Very interesting...in light of recent posts where owners say there appears to be less or thinner clear on New games makes me wonder if they changed this process.

Well maybe for the new runs he using indeed a thinner coat to hope the pooling issue goes away, but then you get another problem. Here is a picture from my own replacement CE playfield for a wonka with a verry thin clear coat made this year. Now the speckles are almost coming thru the clearcoat. So now is the question , what do you want more or less clear.... it sucks both ways

As you can see in the light reflection it looks pretty bad. This has NOTHING to do with JJP (maybe there QC is a bit shit at the moment) but this is mirco 99% there fault

I’m not liking JJP at the moment and there statement against the world but they really need to tell mirco te step up his game and do things like he did on hobbit etc as those playfields are much better

I’m a big JJP fan and I really like there games but this has got to stop!

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#1665 2 years ago

No optical illusion here . To answer your question .... yes you can feel the sparkles and it does not feel magical

#1672 2 years ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Actually I was trying to quote the gentleman from Amsterdam with the Wonka CE

romulusx sure Will make more pictures later. As I got a feeling you think I make strange pictures to make it look worse? The soccer raster is the reflection of my lighting in my shop, changes nothing tho about the playfield problems

I’m gaining nothing to put JJP in a bad spot. As I have about 10000 pinsiders to back that up with there own JJP issues ....

I own all there machines And really hope they get there shit togheter. I’m just here to share thoughts and proof how things are backed up with pictures

#1673 2 years ago
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#1674 2 years ago

And here you can see there is not clearcoat overlap on the cutted/drilled sections and chipping is already happening

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#1676 2 years ago
Quoted from RockfordReplay:

A portion of my day is spraying lacquer on a variety of wooden products. When I see that image, I'm compelled to talk to the operator about 'the requirement' of sealing that end-grain. Everything would head back to the lacquer department for rework.

RockfordReplay whats your take on this? Is it better to overlap another clearcoat after the cut to seal the edges so adhesive is much better? As the chipping is I think when cutting/drilling the clear is not sticky to the wood anymore and air etc is getting under the clear

#1678 2 years ago
Quoted from screaminr:

How is your yellow brick road , I haven't heard of any problems with them ( but I haven't been looking )

Playfield is pretty good so far, no chipping but it does have some small pooling issue in some area near the forest and on 1 sling. Got some rubber washers now and been playing for 20 games or so. Hope it does not chip

#1682 2 years ago

If you are going to use that playfield then better invest money in it now and have someone sand if the clear and re do it. Then with cut out overlap clear. And let it sit till you need it . Then you’ll have awsome CE

#1683 2 years ago

bobukcat wtf I did not spot that! I have to check the playfield tommorow and let you know

#1686 2 years ago

zr11990 yes that should work. But is no cure for the build games. As there is already hardware placed

#1688 2 years ago

Hmm good point. Something to think about

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#1719 2 years ago

I just had a shitty PM from mirco

I will open up a new topic with his PM I need as much backup from people with a bad playfield . As he is trying to sue me and have my shit taken down!

If you don’t see me online no more I’ve been blocked/banned

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#2359 2 years ago

Watched it also. To bad I’m not there. As S.W.A.T had to get me out of the room...... owners fault jack? Have a taste of a good old QC controlled woody PF

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#2539 2 years ago

We have no issues ….. right…

Let’s ask the genie then , I will rub the lamp this time to see what shit comes next

#2541 2 years ago

Even the magic 8 ball lost his marbles on this one

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