They already have "Gorilla Glass" playfields...it was called Diamond Plate, and its still available.

Dude we get it, you played the game for 5 mins and didn’t like it. You don’t have to shit on the game every chance you get. I’m 99.99% sure the game doesn’t suck.

I’ll give it a month before you get rid of your JP for kicking your ass too much.

Exact same reason i sold my POTC CE
No code, no story, shallow - not deep. After a few hundred games I was bored to death

If you play pinball for a story i think you’re doing it wrong

I can describe any pinball game ever made and make it sound like the most boring simple thing ever

So I plunged the ball and flapped my flippers to hit a few shots and then I drained, lame. Insert game name here ___

The best part is you can continue to enjoy your game even though he does not like it. People can have different opinions...crazy huh?

sorry but this isn't a deep rule set in my view not like JP2, GoT or AIQ. You are always heading in the one direction which is to the song mode and the game focuses too much on the song mode in my view. Why are all the booster modes have to be multi-balls? Why couldn't the booster modes be just simple modes. I think if you took the MB out of 3 of those modes the game would instantly get better. Then in the song mode you hit shots until you have to hit the scoop and its not obvious what you need to hit unless you look at the screen at the back. I liked GNR at first but I've found it to be wood-chopping heaven. Took me almost 40 minutes to get an almost 100M score and honestly big chunks of it I don't know how I got the score. Its a good game just not anywhere near the hype it has received. Once I got that score I just didn't want to play it again. JJP take the wood chopping out please!

I also have the playfield problem and so far the JJP response has been farcical. I feel for the distributors who have to take it in the gut from their customers whilst JJP has GNR playing too loud in their office to even hear their customers and make them good. Last JJP I buy. Stern has resolved issues for me every time and in my view stand by their customers much more than JJP.

I knew when I ordered the game that JJP hadn't fixed this problem and I would likely get hosed by them - despite contrary propaganda from them and their piss poor suppliers; so I'm not crazy pissed off but if I'd got a CE it would be going back to my supplier for a refund. For reasons I struggle to understand JJP have a perception of high quality and standing by their customers, sadly now owned 2 JJP games the reality is poor quality and they don't give a toss about their customers.

Neil.

I appreciate the tips but I know how to play the game. My main problem with GnR is the game play loop. I guess you can call it a deep game (I think that is debatable) but it is very narrow because everything you do outside of the song mode is done to increase the score of the song mode. It is laser focused on song modes. And when you get to the song mode, it really isn't that enjoyable...aside from the amazing lighting and musicality...which to me wears off after about 100-200 plays. The game is too heavy on MB. I understand why it is because of the "push your luck" mechanic of song modes but it gets tiresome. I never get that "one more game" itch when I play it, which is disappointing. The patches are a nice touch and I hope that more games explore collecting items that give you specific bonuses just like picking a character in POTC or SW gives the player a specific bonus. But that doesn't fix my issue with the game play loop.

There are other issues I have with the game like Chinese Democracy only having 3 songs and 2 are absolute ear cancer. There are better songs on that album. They could have filled all of the albums after Appetite so it isn't so unbalanced. The callouts are super cringy as are about half of the sound effects. The skill shot is meh, especially how it awkwardly comes out to feed the right flipper. The way shots are highlighted can be confusing. After playing awhile, not so much.

Even with all the issues I have there are some really great things about this game. Light shows/musicality are one of the best if not the best. The right ramp shot is just really fun for me to shoot as is the under flipper shot and the middle spinner (when there isn't a hang up due to the guitar shaped target). The lights rails are really cool, but only on the LE/CE. I like the choice of cashing out your jackpot or pushing your luck. Coma mode is cool. Accumulating time playing a song to qualify wizard mode is interesting (even though for me, the act of doing that is not enjoyable). Album wizard modes are pretty good although I think there is definitely room for improvement. I am sure those will improve with code updates. And of course the fit and finish on GnR (with the exception of clear coat around posts) is like every JJP game...which is always great.

This is just my opinion and it should not affect your enjoyment of the game. I merely chimed in because I agreed with zr11990

We are all glad you like it. Different strokes man. I gave Led Zeppelin a chance and it’s actually fun. I wouldn’t buy it but it’s fun

I think the reason that kaneda is extra hypocritical right now is because he's doing shows literally telling people to cancel their GnR orders, but he has an unopened CE in a box that he's not going to return. He wants everyone else to put pressure on jjp but he's not going to give up his game.

Sounds a lot like Hobbit....just stack all the shit all the time and you're fine as long as you're halfway competent at playing a multiball.

Ironically, this is a chronic issue with JJP games. They've almost gone TOO far with trying to layer and let people stack up everything. There's no sense of progression or achievement when I'm playing Hobbit. I couldn't tell you where I am on the modes, or care less, because 99% of my time is spent in double stacked monster+smaug multiball.

And now you're saying that this game wants you to play FOUR MULTIBALLS....before every mode? And they all stack?! Oh god, no.

Why don't they just stop putting artwork under the posts like Stern and Spooky have? I know that isn't a "fix" in the basic sense, but it seems to be much better.

Thanks for letting me know @seenev. I figured as much. Hell if it was HIS CE that was damaged and he was raging against JJP I would get his “outrage”.

I feel for every guy who’s game is damaged. And mine isn’t perfect either. But what he’s doing isn’t helping us!

And I will say if some guy with a bad PF comes out and says “Hey! JJP fixed my game because of Chris K!” or if JJP comes out and says “Because of Kaneda’s incessant bitching we are replacing all of your PFs!” I will gladly admit I was wrong.

I won’t go back to listening to his show tho, lol.

I cannot believe this post got 6 downvotes. This hobby never ceases to disappoint.

I’ve tried telling people this before.

Led Zeppelin > GnR
Musically and pinball wise.

I'm telling ya man, it's fun and addictive. Come over and see!

Ikr. Vicious group. Any publicity is good publicity these days I guess. Cancel me, I double dog dare ya! It's my love for risk/reward games .

Anyway, What's the down vote record here?
Am I close?

I have yet to plumb the complete depths of down vote hell, but it is safe to say, I have had some major runs... 80 to a 100 downvotes and you are doing ok... but the pros can really rack em up. It just takes something special like posting a picture of someone assaulting a child or a gif of someone making road kill out of a small furry animal... or bitch about playfield chipping in a owner/fanboy thread... all of these seem to work well.

Looks like my down vote scoring ability is about as good as my ability to rack up points on GNR. If only GNR had deeper code, better lights and music, more assets and mechs.....

(How am I doing now??? Better??)

Not sure about down votes, but I keep waiting for that one guy to pop in with his obligatory statement pointing out that GNR was the Game of the Year in the Twippies.

Why are they still putting artwork under anyplace that has contact with a post, or screw, or rail?? For posts this should be easy for them to solve.

You can’t have bare wood. The clear is still going to come off and look like shit.

Can you show examples of this. Seems like Stern when the art is removed so is the issue at posts.

Thats not how Hobbit works at all. You sure you know what you are talking about?

I once got over 100 with my gallows humor, but I'm not sure what the actual record is.

The clear is not coming off all by itself.

The Ink is lifting from the playfield, and that of course pulls the clear with it

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When I sad that no one listened.

It's not like anyone is going to listen to me either, lol

Darned. That looks really terrible.
Sorry to see it.

Is that a Mirco PF? Damn. Im telling you though, I have bought probably 6 or more PFs from him and at least 4 have had issues. He has made good on them but I guess he decided not to make good on them anymore. Buy with a credit card and if you get a POS have the charges reversed.

I wanted to buy a CC PF to have a nice shiny CCd PF for my CC that I never play but Im not paying 1200 to receive a POS from that guy.

Unlikely. The problem seems to be ink adhesion to the wood with digital printing. When there's no white layer, then ink, then clear and the clear instead is straight to the prepped wood, it seems to solve the problem, or at the very least lessen it DRAMATICALLY. Mirco has to go, but even with that, taking away the art around the posts would not be a bad idea for JJP to explore.

Lol.... Return it.... How is that supposed to work?
Naive

Hey, I'll be happy to take you up on that. Despite my comments, I actually do like Hobbit more than it has any right to be liked. The goofy callouts, and the ridiculous amount of jackpots when you have a bunch of things running is very reminiscent of the cheesy-ness of things like Avatar/Mustang to me (AMP SOOOOT JACKPAWWWT). It's not a bad game to PLAY....unless it's in tournament or league... *shudder*

LMAO. Yes, unfortunately, when you play competitively, yeah...actually....that IS how Hobbit works. And I've spent the vast majority of time on Hobbit in competitive situations, oddly enough. Literally, my 7 year old son at the time grasped the rules of Hobbit well enough to get all the way to the start shot of the 2nd wizard mode, after I'd gotten to the first one on ball one. Was it knowledge, or just the fact that it's so easy to just wail away at things from the safety of multiball?

No clearcoat in the world is going to hold down the artwork when the ink is not adhered to the playfield

Silkscreened ink lasts 70 years on a playfield, this digital crap can't make it 7 months.

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Clear can be fixed easily. Artwork, not so much. It's that simple. Stern had to switch back to doing it and JJP should too.

I think there’s a good chance every one of these GnR playfields are faulty.

What a shame. I like playing GnR on location but glad I didn’t get bent over buying one.

Mine had no issues.

Anyone think it would help to let game sit for a month or 2 before playing it?

Does the damage happen after a certain amount of games???

Or is it already damaged when You unbox it?

It seems like the very early ones may have benefited from months and months of extended, unexpected 2020 cure time waiting for COVID lockdown to be over. I haven't heard of any of them having these issues.

Nope.

Even unpopulated playfields have started to lift just sitting around in a box, well over a year after production

You can turn off beast MB starting during Smaug MB in the settings. Makes things a lot cleaner.

What about the very early run, the so called 100 prototype run.... they were a disaster - all started chipping / pooling....”but wait guys these are the protos don’t worry, your ones will be fine”.... just more bullshit.

1/21 Build date. Received 2/4
Just posted in CE thread

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I saw some pooling in those, but I didn't see any art coming off of those. It's entirely possible I missed pics of the ones you're talking about, though. Pinside moves fast.

They can print glittery ink but not durable ink?

I played a December build LE this morning at a fellow Pinsider’s house that looked perfect, built after those first 100. So what happened after that? I know Mirco did playfields in the past that were fine, for example Lebowski and Alien in my collection. I recall that he bought a new playfield printer when I spoke with him at TPF 2018. Is this when it started? Maybe the machine prints inconsistently. I’m probably taking a pass until this is fixed.

My CGC MB playfield is dimpled AF, but no chipping or artwork loss anywhere... screen printed bitches!! Get with the program.

Hobbit was the last one Mirco delivered that had no major problems I know of. Dialed In had major chipping. Wonka, jjPotC, and jjGnR all have pooling and ink adhesion problems to varying degrees (all degrees well into unacceptable range).

I know he has different levels of finish, with ceramic being the best and most expensive. Maybe Hobbit had the ceramic finish and it was nixed for being too expensive. Dunno. SOMETHING changed. Mirco has had 4 machines past that to work it out. WAY past time for JJP to find a new solution, whether external vendor with a proven record or the longer-term in house road.

What surprises me is that you never hear anything from Mirco, nothing. As I said he used to be good at sending a replacement PF but apparently not anymore.