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Why is JJP still making games with faulty playfields?

By PanzerFreak

2 years ago


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#1901 2 years ago
Quoted from Dr-pin:

Cant be the whole truth, since there are videos with plastic flaking under the aprons where it should adere to bare wood.
As it works now mirco clear is just a terribad pf-protector sloppy glued on.

I agree, that's why I said "One Of the big issues"

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#1902 2 years ago
Quoted from Palmer:

What is that? Another grand?

This will likely cost around $3500-$4000 for those of us who don’t have the time or skills to do a playfield swap by the time you pay Ron K and someone to do the swap. For a CE owner it will be a good investment in my opinion, not sure about an LE though.

#1903 2 years ago

I can’t think of a worse idea than dumping 4 grand into a brand new pin. That is pouring money into a bad investment. Are we at the point that 100% of GnRs are bad.

#1904 2 years ago
Quoted from Darscot:

I can’t think of a worse idea than dumping 4 grand into a brand new pin. That is pouring money into a bad investment. Are we at the point that 100% of GnRs are bad.

Not to mention replacing a defective playfield with another defective playfield.

#1905 2 years ago
Quoted from Darscot:

I can’t think of a worse idea than dumping 4 grand into a brand new pin. That is pouring money into a bad investment. Are we at the point that 100% of GnRs are bad.

Depends on what you're defining as bad plus your expectations. For you, maybe the answer is yes. For me, the answer is no.

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#1906 2 years ago
Quoted from Palmer:

What is that? Another grand?

This will likely cost around $3500-$4000 for those of us who don’t have the time or skills to do a playfield swap by the time you pay Ron K and someone to do the swap. For a CE owner it will be a good investment in my opinion, not sure about an LE though.

Quoted from Darscot:

I can’t think of a worse idea than dumping 4 grand into a brand new pin. That is pouring money into a bad investment. Are we at the point that 100% of GnRs are bad.

$4,000 into a $12,500(CE) pin with a Ron Kruzman bullet proof playfield = Priceless in todays market

Really $16,500 into a pin that is already selling above this…

#1907 2 years ago
Quoted from Vespula:

Depends on what you're defining as bad plus your expectations. For you, maybe the answer is yes. For me, the answer is no.

I guess it all depends on what kind of investment you are making. If you're investing money hoping for emotional returns, have at it, what ever floats your boat. If you are investing money in hopes of financial returns, this is terrible idea. Has JJP even committed to doing a run of the CE Sparkle playfields?

#1908 2 years ago
Quoted from Vespula:

Depends on what you're defining as bad plus your expectations. For you, maybe the answer is yes. For me, the answer is no.

Too much money but not a whole lot of cents...

Jeff

#1909 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

Too much money but not a whole lot of cents...
Jeff

Mildly punny at best.

#1910 2 years ago

I'm just here for the free t-shirt.....

#1911 2 years ago

The big thing is you make sure the playfield is clean & 1 or 2 sealing coats before ink. I did 2 & never had a problem with UV ink.

#1912 2 years ago

I have a GNR CE and starting to see some pooling at the outline post. I’ve contacted Barry multiple times with no reply on how to go about stopping this before it chips. I’ve read so many posts on different ways to protect but not sure what’s the best. Can someone please let me know what’s the best way to bullet proof this so I can go back to enjoying the game. Thanks in advance.

#1913 2 years ago
Quoted from fastchef:

I have a GNR CE and starting to see some pooling at the outline post. I’ve contacted Barry multiple times with no reply on how to go about stopping this before it chips. I’ve read so many posts on different ways to protect but not sure what’s the best. Can someone please let me know what’s the best way to bullet proof this so I can go back to enjoying the game. Thanks in advance.

Check the owners thread. Lots of posts on this. Likely several as key posts

#1914 2 years ago
Quoted from fastchef:

I’ve contacted Barry multiple times with no reply on how to go about stopping this before it chips.

#1915 2 years ago
Quoted from fastchef:

I have a GNR CE and starting to see some pooling at the outline post. I’ve contacted Barry multiple times with no reply on how to go about stopping this before it chips.

Still running a tight ship over at JJP.

#1916 2 years ago
Quoted from fastchef:

I have a GNR CE and starting to see some pooling at the outline post. I’ve contacted Barry multiple times with no reply on how to go about stopping this before it chips. I’ve read so many posts on different ways to protect but not sure what’s the best. Can someone please let me know what’s the best way to bullet proof this so I can go back to enjoying the game. Thanks in advance.

Mines been sitting for 6 weeks unplugged .I think I’m getting to it monday .I got mod couples mylar rings and “the kit” .Need rubbers replaced also I’d advise changing those as well when you “bulletproof” yours .Good luck and get on the PF list .It’s like a special “thanks” from JJP for buying their products .I feel loved and honored to be on it

#1917 2 years ago

Well I’m either gonna need to set aside 6 hours to bulletproof my NIB or sell it. As time goes on it just doesn’t seem worth the hassle

#1918 2 years ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

Well I’m either gonna need to set aside 6 hours to bulletproof my NIB or sell it. As time goes on it just doesn’t seem worth the hassle

I’m very close to feeling the same way.

#1919 2 years ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Mines been sitting for 6 weeks unplugged .I think I’m getting to it monday .I got mod couples mylar rings and “the kit” .Need rubbers replaced also I’d advise changing those as well when you “bulletproof” yours .Good luck and get on the PF list .It’s like a special “thanks” from JJP for buying their products .I feel loved and honored to be on it

Has JJP provided any assurance that the replacement PF's are any better?

#1920 2 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Has JJP provided any assurance that the replacement PF's are any better?

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#1921 2 years ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

Well I’m either gonna need to set aside 6 hours to bulletproof my NIB or sell it. As time goes on it just doesn’t seem worth the hassle

Don't let a few bad apples ruin it for you. As long as you've had it you could have done one washer every now and then been done and playing it by now.. and I am pretty confident you've spent more than 6 hours on pinside since you got it so that's just a matter of priorities.

I hope you keep it as I bet you'll be one of those people who says why did I sit in the fence for so long....

#1922 2 years ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

Well I’m either gonna need to set aside 6 hours to bulletproof my NIB or sell it. As time goes on it just doesn’t seem worth the hassle

I spent a day and a half bullet proofing my Deadpool's ball guides, installing some mods, and PinWoofer. (It was also my first home pin, so I spent a lot of time learning along the way.) Only 6 hours bullet proofing GNR sounds like heaven by comparison

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#1923 2 years ago

Does anyone think they’ll have PF issues with this one? It’s been accidentally leaked by JJP, their next new family friendly game to join Dorthy, Toto, Dads Jeans, Willy Wonka etc. is none other than….

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#1924 2 years ago

Huh, JJP switched to Stern's cabinet vendor apparently.

#1925 2 years ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Does anyone think they’ll have PF issues with this one? It’s been accidentally leaked by JJP, their next new family friendly game to join Dorthy, Toto, Dads Jeans, Willy Wonka etc. is none other than….
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I'm sure there will be a "movie theatre money shot" mode.

#1926 2 years ago
Quoted from jimwe5t:

Does anyone think they’ll have PF issues with this one? It’s been accidentally leaked by JJP, their next new family friendly game to join Dorthy, Toto, Dads Jeans, Willy Wonka etc. is none other than….
[quoted image]

I would totally hate play a roll of quarters of that on location…

….ok, probably 2 rolls.

#1927 2 years ago
Quoted from ImNotNorm:

I'm sure there will be a "movie theatre money shot" mode.

They could display him sitting in a dark movie theater doing something with his arm very quickly....then, suddenly, a video plays of some Novus shooting out onto a playfield.

#1928 2 years ago
Quoted from Vespula:

I am pretty confident you've spent more than 6 hours on pinside since you got it so that's just a matter of priorities.
I hope you keep it as I bet you'll be one of those people who says why did I sit in the fence for so long....

This ignorantly assumes that people should equate downtime (posting on Pinside) with labor (fixing a game when you shouldn't have to).

#1929 2 years ago
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#1930 2 years ago

Good point. If I could bulletproof my GNR by shitposting with my phone then it would have been done weeks ago. Man the possibilities. They need an app for that

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#1932 2 years ago

How much are the playfield replacements costing us?

#1933 2 years ago

How do people know the playfields are still bad. Whats the last reported build date that had pooling or chipping?

Thanks mine is getting close to shipping. Wife says just get it life’s short, she wants this game.

#1934 2 years ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How do people know the playfields are still bad. Whats the last reported build date that had pooling or chipping?
Thanks mine is getting close to shipping. Wife says just get it life’s short, she wants this game.

Life is short and so is JJP's warranty.

It's only money and you'll probably not lose much if anything on it anyway unless the long-predicted pinball bubble burst actually happens in which case a lot of people will be in the same boat. I'm not buying anything from them until I'm sure they've fixed their playfields AND their attitude towards customers with issues but not going to judge anyone else for deciding differently than me. Enjoy it while it lasts.

#1935 2 years ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

Life is short and so is JJP's warranty.
It's only money and you'll probably not lose much if anything on it anyway unless the long-predicted pinball bubble burst actually happens in which case a lot of people will be in the same boat. I'm not buying anything from them until I'm sure they've fixed their playfields AND their attitude towards customers with issues but not going to judge anyone else for deciding differently than me. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Just had a good experience with my Willy and Barry (pun intended) he and my distro have made me 100% whole on that game.

#1936 2 years ago
Quoted from Ecw0930:

How much are the playfield replacements costing us?

Financially… $499 main, $119 upper (plus shipping)

Emotionally… incalculable (free shipping)

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#1937 2 years ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

How do people know the playfields are still bad. Whats the last reported build date that had pooling or chipping?
Thanks mine is getting close to shipping. Wife says just get it life’s short, she wants this game.

Widespread reports of playfield issues appear to have stopped for the past couple of months. I think I've seen 1 July build mentioned here with reported pooling (under a rail after it was removed) but nothing in comparison to the dozens of reports coming from previous run builds. Reports of issues have also stopped on the JJP Fans Facebook group, there were a ton of reports of playfield issues being reported earlier in the year. The latest July and going forward builds have a different combination of posts and washers, who knows if the actual playfields are different.

One interesting thing I noticed on my July build LE is that the playfield manufactured date isn't stamped anywhere on the playfield, just a random combination of letters and numbers.

#1938 2 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Widespread reports of playfield issues appear to have stopped for the past couple of months. I think I've seen 1 July build mentioned here with reported pooling (under a rail after it was removed) but nothing in comparison to the dozens of reports coming from previous run builds. Reports of issues have also stopped on the JJP Fans Facebook group, there were a ton of reports of playfield issues being reported earlier in the year. The latest July and going forward builds have a different combination of posts and washers, who knows if the actual playfields are different.
One interesting thing I noticed on my July build LE is that the playfield manufactured date isn't stamped anywhere on the playfield, just a random combination of letters and numbers.

I hope this isn't the case but wonder if installed washers are just covering the issues, and it will take longer for the pooling to spread beyond them and owners to notice

#1939 2 years ago

As long as they are screwing around with posts and washers the issue is not fixed.

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#1940 2 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Widespread reports of playfield issues appear to have stopped for the past couple of months. I think I've seen 1 July build mentioned here with reported pooling (under a rail after it was removed) but nothing in comparison to the dozens of reports coming from previous run builds. Reports of issues have also stopped on the JJP Fans Facebook group, there were a ton of reports of playfield issues being reported earlier in the year. The latest July and going forward builds have a different combination of posts and washers, who knows if the actual playfields are different.
One interesting thing I noticed on my July build LE is that the playfield manufactured date isn't stamped anywhere on the playfield, just a random combination of letters and numbers.

I have that random combo too on the back left side. The stamp is on the back right side. I used my phone to take a bunch of pictures and eventually found it. Never would have known it was there until reading in one of these threads.

#1941 2 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

I hope this isn't the case but wonder if installed washers are just covering the issues, and it will take longer for the pooling to spread beyond them and owners to notice

It won’t pool under the washer. It’ll pool around the washer.

#1942 2 years ago
Quoted from fatality83:

They could display him sitting in a dark movie theater doing something with his arm very quickly....then, suddenly, a video plays of some Novus shooting out onto a playfield.

I know this is a joke, and honestly its pretty funny but poor Paul Ruebens really got screwed over with that whole ordeal and it really makes me mad. The dude was in a goddamn porno theater (as adults often were in those days) where everyone was jerkin it most likely and he was forced to plead no contest just to keep it off his record. Not a good look when you're known for working with kids and it put a halt to his career for some time. AND THEN they tried to get the poor bastard again except even worse this time when the cops raided his home looking for nonexistant child porn and once again just horrible optics and they found other normal stuff that an adult might have but could be used for public ridicule (a copy of the rob lowe sex tape for example) and he was forced to plead an obscenity charge to get all that to go away and register as a sex offender, all complete bullshit. Poor Paul Ruebens, theres funny jokes to be made but honestly I feel bad for the guy and he is a pretty cool actor tbh.

#1943 2 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Widespread reports of playfield issues appear to have stopped for the past couple of months. I think I've seen 1 July build mentioned here with reported pooling (under a rail after it was removed) but nothing in comparison to the dozens of reports coming from previous run builds. Reports of issues have also stopped on the JJP Fans Facebook group, there were a ton of reports of playfield issues being reported earlier in the year. The latest July and going forward builds have a different combination of posts and washers, who knows if the actual playfields are different.
One interesting thing I noticed on my July build LE is that the playfield manufactured date isn't stamped anywhere on the playfield, just a random combination of letters and numbers.

Thanks Panz, that is what my distro said as well. I am thinking of rolling with it and taking a chance.

#1944 2 years ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

Thanks Panz, that is what my distro said as well. I am thinking of rolling with it and taking a chance.

I'm rolling with it whenever my GNR is ready (2037 maybe?).

#1945 2 years ago

When is the replacement PFs going to be ready to order?

#1946 2 years ago
Quoted from thechakapakuni:

When is the replacement PFs going to be ready to order?

They said after the GnR run is complete, end of summer 2022

#1947 2 years ago
Quoted from Vespula:

They said after the GnR run is complete, end of summer 2022

That was shipping timeframe.

No indication from JJP yet on when they’ll take orders.

#1948 2 years ago
Quoted from JohnTTwo:

Thanks Panz, that is what my distro said as well. I am thinking of rolling with it and taking a chance.

But why? Taking a chance? It's a $10K+ purchase and "taking a chance" seems like a less than wise approach to something like that.

I sort of feel like JJP has adopted the Thomas Tusser quote as a company motto... "A fool and his money are soon parted"...

Jeff

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#1949 2 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Widespread reports of playfield issues appear to have stopped for the past couple of months. I think I've seen 1 July build mentioned here with reported pooling (under a rail after it was removed) but nothing in comparison to the dozens of reports coming from previous run builds. Reports of issues have also stopped on the JJP Fans Facebook group, there were a ton of reports of playfield issues being reported earlier in the year. The latest July and going forward builds have a different combination of posts and washers, who knows if the actual playfields are different.
One interesting thing I noticed on my July build LE is that the playfield manufactured date isn't stamped anywhere on the playfield, just a random combination of letters and numbers.

PFreak this is complete BS and you know it. You’re only saying this to protect your purchase. You’ll never be honest with us about the ongoing saga. Quit trying to lure people into the JJP poor quality trap. Money doesn’t grow on trees you know and most of us don’t want to risk our hard earned money on crappy JJP products like you constantly do, to only sell them before your issues get worse.

If what you’re implying were true, then why doesn’t JJP reinstate an actual warranty to demonstrate they too have confidence the problem is fixed? JJP won’t, because they are not confident the issues are fixed. PFreak quit shilling for a low life company like JJP. We all know them for what they are, the worst pinball experience and company in existence.

After all their founder Jack says the PF issues are our fault. That should tell everyone to stay far away and spend their $10k to $13k with someone that has a warranty to protect our hard earned money. There are plenty of pinball companies that actually stand behind their products and don’t blame their customers. Boycott JJP until they do the honorable thing with a clear protective warranty and actually fix the PF issues.

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#1950 2 years ago
Quoted from jeffro01:

But why? Taking a chance? It's a $10K+ purchase and "taking a chance" seems like a less than wise approach to something like that.
I sort of feel like JJP has adopted the Thomas Tusser quote as a company motto... "A fool and his money are soon parted"...
Jeff

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