Lol, I’ll send you an extra bottle my friend. Never once said they’re going out of business. Only said I hope JJP gets all their problems solved and they don’t go out of business. I like JJP.

There’s nothing worse than a Pinsider who just keeps repeating the same old thing, eh?

Suppose you could say the same thing about this thread and just about every comment here. I mean how many repeated threads saying the same thing about all JJPs Pf problems can there be including this one started by Panzer? It’s the topic of this and many more threads just like it, all saying the same thing repeatedly, so that’s not new.

Yeah, I was actually calling Panzer out for criticizing someone else that’s doing exactly what he’s known for.

PFreak my friend: it is comical you continue to put a tiny company like JJP like they are in actual competition with a giant company like Stern. JJP can only put out 45 games tops a week and Stern puts out nearly 100 games a day. Sorry, JJP is not “kicking” anything. They put out 1 game every two years, they’re so small. Now the comparisons could be made with Spooky and they are in fact kicking JJPs rear end, with 2 new titles released at once and every 18 months, not two years like even smaller JJP does, since they began nearly 13 years ago.

Quit ragging on Stern and remember your own mantra: “Criticism doesn't automatically mean a game is bad or sucks. At these insane prices criticism…”, as I write critical things about your beloved JJP from time to time. Just hoping JJP will finally get their act together and actually treat us the customer the way Stern, AP, CGC and Spooky treats us, with respect and honoring repairs. JJP doesn’t do this. Why you continue to support JJP by buying their faulty products is beyond comprehension. JJP has no need to change with groveling customers such as yourself. You’re buying GNR because you perceive you’re getting a $1k discount, lol. All JJP did was raise their prices higher than anyone else’s. And for what? Crappy products??? JJP is living in denial and so is any customer willing to support their narcissistic behavior.

My apologies, as now I see your post was directed at Pfreak and not me. Thanks for clarifying and you're comment is correct.

Stern...

That’s funny, the way I remember it is slightly different. “Stern sucks! JJP builds games like tanks! Perfect in every way!”
Cool that you’re enjoying Turtles and GnR though. Glad to see you’ve come around!

Do we need to go back and remind you about your history constantly telling us how Stern games are barren and not good for the money we pay? PFreak, facts are facts and hard to take for the uninformed. Trying to help you make sense of things is a difficult proposition. I’ll try to explain in even simpler terms next time, so it won’t appear as a “mess of words” to a simpler mind. Lol

All pinball companies making 8 games a day are not in the same league as companies making near 100 a day. Simple enough to understand they are not competitors of each other?

(Interesting: #1 Stern troll commenter calling someone else a troll commenter…too funny)

You guys do realize that there’s a solution in place for trolls, right?

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…and your comments are troll comments, always doing what PFreak does, putting troll comments about Stern all over the place. Your medicine…its how you think you can shut others up in a forum, by troll labeling. Get over it, this is an open forum where everyone can freely express their opinion in a decent manner, without being labeled or hushed. If I were to guess, you’re a “lackey” for JJP…one of the reasons, no city is listed for you…

Your recollection is correct, we all know PFreak blasts Stern whenever he gets the chance. He’s not changed at all. Was bored so he purchased, while waiting for GNR to be “ironed” out, TMNT (ironed out, too funny). And GNR will need at least a year of proof before knowing its ironed out and problem solved to everyone’s satisfaction.

I don't want all that BS on my game though. Thats just an ugly band aid covering up a festering hatchet wound.

I sort of agree
Glad they got it fixed, but they should be able to do it without the washers.
Maybe the washers are just extra insurance, as they probably have a lot of anxiety at this point about future issues

Could also conceal the transition to quality playfields, if and when that actually happens. They don't want a clear line of demarcation where everyone before a certain date (rightfully) demands a new playfield.

April build here - no issues after installing PETG washers and longer posts.

The first rule of Fight Club is you don't talk about Fight Club... would one of you guys tap out already? Or is this Coke v.s Pepsi argument going to just keep raging on in 5 different threads?

Do you even enjoy pinball? If so what games do you own?

What Panzer is known for in terms of repeating himself is his (unhealthy?) love of interactive toys on a pin. Yes, these posts got old very fast, and he was often made fun of for it. He was also accused of being a JJP "fanboy."

But I will give him credit for his recent posts over the last few months, where he has appeared to be objective and even critical of JJP, especially with regard to the PF issues. Hell, he is the one who started this thread..."why is JJP still making games with faulty playfields."

I don't even remember him making recent posts about "toys", and I know he picked up a Stern recently.

Thanks for asking. Absolutely love pinball and even purchased JJP and enjoy shooting Pat’s 2 regular body games. Think he is right staying with regular body, as wide body ball meanders too much, except STNG and TZ. Hoping to buy TS, if PF issues are really fixed this time. Own numerous games from various manufacturers.

Add me to the list of disgruntled consumers .These are just the first few i’m getting to .Under 200 games played .Had it sitting unplugged purchased rubber washers n mylar rings finally got a weekend to get this done now I’m disgusted .Not because this is happening but because it seems nothing will be done about it .I’ve sent emails n called to “mailbox is full” .Just left messages in different departments hopefully they’ll call back .Still under 90 day warranty when started to reach out ,I think today is my 90 day so we’ll see .What is the likely endgame to this ?

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I did .Mike at GAP is awsome .This pin is awsome I just want to get things straight .I’m tired of it being unplugged but do not want to cause any more damage until I get a straight answer .Hopefully I’ll hear from JJP monday .Good luck to all .

PM sent. Be sure to submit a ticket on JJP site. Some think this is limited to a handful of games. Others believe it’s Armageddon. Only way to get JJP aware is submitting tickets and tracking serial #’s. Good luck.

Brutal. Hate to see that. Did yours come with a black washer installed? Mine did and it pooled around it.

No i had the small metal washers on the skinny posts .I left emails and messages .How do i start a ticket do I need to speak with someone or can I do it through site ?

Wow that sucks so sorry man. I know how hard you work to get these games for you and the boys so this really hurts. Stay on Mike to get an answer. I’m betting he is your best shot.

Per Barry.... No playfields will be sent out at this time.

Not only that, but warranty doesn’t cover the playfield anymore. Not good.

Barry is always the bearer of good news.
Poor guy.

Thanks Dave.Mike’s on it he’s getting the replacement washers theyre using on the new machines .I’m not going to let this get me down on the pin beacause it’s going nowhere ,we love playing it such a rush .I’m cooled down now lmao It’ll work out .

Jesus, this is getting comically ridiculous at this point, absolutely unacceptable.

I think it is time for you guys to quit waiting and hoping for JJP to take care of you (they have done nothing but stonewall and renege on promises as far as I can see) and activate your “nuclear options” of chargebacks and/or lawsuits at this point.

Thanks, I for sure am when they get ahold of me .I just hope they get this worked out and move forward I like this company and the style of pins a lot .I’m sure it will all work out .

I admire your positive attitude, but that would be absolutely unacceptable to me. It won’t fix the damage, and cannot be counted upon to prevent it worsening over time; it seems obvious reading this thread that the manufacturing process itself was flawed in some way, and a shadetree-engineered band-aid solution is just not acceptable for such an expensive item.

If they aren’t going to replace playfields, then you should demand a new game (as they promised at one time). If they won’t replace the game, then demand a substantial refund of your purchase price (at least 30%, I’d think).

You deserve a lot more than a $5 baggie of washers (that you must install yourself)!

If that was my machine and I'd paid with CC I'd be looking at my cc refund/chargeback rules. It's one thing if you're actively talking with JJP about it, but if they're just ghosting you I'd force it with the card company while you can. Especially if they are now putting out playfields that don't spontaneously destroy themselves.

In no way am I accepting this .It’s just this is my first weekend off in a long while and I cannot let this ruin it .I’m going to play our other pins tonight and have fun no matter .Come Monday I’ll get my game face on

What date was your Playfield?

What you would get is a video of someone meeting you at the door, asking who your distributor was, and tell you to take it up with them. Actual ownership of the pin travels through a distributor, so as to protect the manufacturer. Unless you bought it direct from JJP, they will not even talk to you at the factory. And now the real reason for the distributor model becomes perfectly clear.