If you’re taking apart the pinball machine for hours/days while putting in washers then you are not driving it.

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+1 for the .gif Chaka...

+1 now gonna go watch that again this weekend..... great effin movie.

If it takes you Days to install washers theres a bigger issue.

More washers would probably solve that

Not everyone has an engineering or mechanical background, there are people out there that have bought jjp machines that pay me directly to fix issues out of the box, and then there’s my collector friends that ive also helped On my dime. In fairness ive helped friends with their sterns and American machines also. But the jjp machines its every one of them, they almost never work right out of the box. The mechanical issues from shipping is just comes with buying a game and never bothers me to fix, in fact i enjoy it. But chipping missing art is a real issue. The chipping doesn’t bother me but the lack of standing behind the product is terrible.

Don’t be so hard on yourself. I’m sure you’re not that stupid. I need to hang with Ted in the cigar room. Rest of ya wait outside holding the purses.

Yes, if it was my game, not a location game. Unfortunately, the location is not terribly accommodating to our TDs. They're not even allowed to have a key to remove a stuck ball, much less change software settings.

Spoke to a rep at JJP on Thursday about my POTC CE replacement playfield. He mentioned that play fields will not be replaced on machines made after POTC.

Seems like a weird hill to choose to die on...

This sums up JJP

That meeting had to be so awkward. I would love to hear the audio of how they justified their new "no warranty on playfield" policy. They were probably patting themselves on the back and truly believed it was the right decision.

Hate that this horse keeps getting beat on, but its just such a shame they still have these issues when I really do think their games are a thing of beauty. Seeing that damn dragon breath fire in Hobbit is literally what made me want a pinball machine as opposed to getting some used arcade games.

MULTI BALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

Man, now I want a Hobbit, with a perfect playfield

Cringe

Jersey Junk Pinball, guaranteed to crack up

I'm out!

JJPs strategy is really brilliant;
1) Raise price $1000.
2) Remove warranty.
3) Add washers.
4) Refuse refunding deposits.
5) Leak rumor of "Buy Back" option which nobody will take.
6) Remain SILENT (this is the most important step).
7) Wait a few months and it all just fades away until their next pin.

One way to manage excessive waiting lists.

I'm going to say something that may piss people off...

But JJP games arent really that "fun."

I've owned three games and have only kept the one that I think is really good: Hobbit. At one point I was going to make it by mission to collect them all.

I bought dialed in. Loved how it looked. It was a spectacle of technology. But it lost its charm after a while. The game wasn't all that fun. Never did I really love the crap out of the gameplay. Bought woz because I thought the toys were cool. But jesus, the shots suck and it is a slog. No satisfying shots. Gnr has no shots that are fun and sorta reminds me of woz in how it is a beautiful specitcal, but the game isn't great.

I guess what I'm saying is, I thought jjp was going to be the second coming of williams, but now I wouldnt care if they sorta just went away. Like, just go and fucking die already with all your playfield issues combined with lousy customer service and games that aren't all that fun.

100% agree

I respect your opinion and agree with you in general EXCEPT I think GNR is a lot of fun to shoot.

You should update your dialed in review.

When JJP started out there was a lot of talk that Jack was a Giant flying asshole. I had no idea why they said that. He walked and talked a great game. He had mouthed Gary stern amd talked about all his faults and all the BS that was going on there. After handing to deal with him I could see why people disliked him and the quality of the product and customer service of Jersey Junk Pinball is far worse than Stern who seems to have stepped up their game at least a little.

Jack is the quintessential salesman- charismatic, easy to talk to. But you can pretty much count on being lied to somewhere along the way. ABC- Always be closing.

Kind of like the guy who got a call from Jack when his Wonka had a jello playfield...Jack miraculously had the call drop as he was announcing he was entering a tunnel on his drive home, before anything could actually be rectified.

To me - how fun their games are is irrelevant if the quality is shit - too many other fun games to buy that won't fall apart & my life will not be incomplete without a GnR

I had both. I never cared for the rules of the two Jersey Junk games I owned and we know the quality sucked.

I respect your opinion and agree with you in general EXCEPT I think GNR is NOT fun to shoot.

Totally agree but GNR is a fun shooter

WhoDey would agree and always said that to me. This post is for Terry.

Right or wrong my guess is lawsuits are coming .... its unfortunate that JJP has drawn such a hard line in the sand

To think anyone gives enough of a shit about what you do and don’t find fun to be pissed off by it.

Why would it piss anyone off when it’s just another subjective post full of hyperbole on a forum that is almost completely subjective hyperbole?

You don’t like JJP games because you don’t find them fun….wow, thanks for enlightening us.

You seem a little pissed off!

See, you ask why would it piss anyone off, but then you proceeded to be pissed off. You idiot.

I agree with this statement...except the part where GnR is a fun shooter.

I've seen multiple people say "Just hire HEP to fix it!" and while Chris is basically a miracle worker and has decades of experience with high end professional paint jobs, I doubt he would open their eyes with some revelation they have missed this entire time. I believe they already know how to solve this, but it probably costs more money. If they hired Chris to consult on this issue he would tell them how to do it RIGHT (aka $$$) which they want to avoid at all costs (pun intended). Chris doesn't cut corners because he doesn't want to or have to, his customers spend a premium for a world-class collector's game and his business model works well for Chris and his customers. JJP is charging premium prices for games with the MAIN FEATURE that is falling apart early and they are ducking their heads in the sand and hoping for this to all blow over until their next release is announced and sells out and people forget. The changing of their warranty terms is an especially bold move. I sure hope that people don't forget, and I'm seeing the signs now that JJP will need to make some drastic changes, and fast, to repair their reputation.

I always liked JJP because of DI. That game is just it. I can‘t get too excited about their other offerings, though. I did find Willi Wonka more fun than the modern Sterns, however (maybe I just like Pat Lawlor, who knows). I guess I‘ll just wait until this playfield issue is resolved before I buy a new pin again - I am really curious what‘s causing it. I do have my theories, though and I‘m quite convinced it‘s avoidable.

First you have to actually HAVE a good reputation to repair. So far all I have seen is a company thats good at generating FOMO and shitty playfields.

I own a Hobbit LE. I have no playfield issues unless you count the normal dimpling.

I own 7 other games as well. Much older games, and none have the damn pf art peeling off.

If everything here is true, especially the change in their pf warranty, there's no way I am buying a new JJP machine until this pf crap is resolved.

The pictures in the thread are just... awful.

And yeah, I feel the same way about the pf issues that Stern had. I don't care who makes the machine, your pfs are peeling and you're staying silent on the matter, you ain't getting my money. I'd rather buy proven older games.

You know you’re right. I’m pissed off.

I’ve spent the last few years thinking JJP games are fun and now I’ve learnt From you that they aren’t.

Can you please tell me what else is fun?

Pissing people off.

(Sorry, I'm just bored. No horse in this race.)

This is exactly right to me and why there is no need for consultation.
The answer is already known on some level. They may not like it but they could simply go back to older proven methods and this problem will go away.
They don’t need to look to me they need to look to history.
This is a fairly new problem that started when a process that was not broken got changed or “updated” most likely.
Go back to the last process before the failures and they should be all set.
I am an not expert on JJP games but I have done Hobbit playfields and see many others reference no issues with those so that is what they should consider a good process point to revert to. Whatever has changed since then is the likely culprit. It could be process,equipment or chemical changes but just go back to that good save point and quit guessing.

Also, this thread is exclusively for griping and complaining about playfield issues. Stop diluting our grumpiness with your fun/not fun discussion!

You seem to have plenty of time on your hands, sounds like the perfect game for you

You forgot Phase 1 and 3!

PHASE 1 - COLLECT UNDERPANTS

PHASE 2
- Raise price $1000.
- Remove warranty.
- Add washers.
- Refuse refunding deposits.
- Leak rumor of "Buy Back" option which nobody will take.
- Remain SILENT (this is the most important step).
- Wait a few months and it all just fades away until their next pin.

PHASE 3 - PROFIT

Define what fun means to someone/everyone? You can't because we all have our own understanding, it's subjective. I think WOZ is fun, just my opinion.

But I think we can all agree that lifting playfield art is not fun.

I was potentially going to order a Toy Story, but no way until I hear about the how the code plays out and also that this pf damage shitstorm has blown over.

All I see is a bunch of “pissing into the wind blowing back at you”.

Nothing is going to change what has already transpired.

As far as that goes I still haven’t heard anyone come up with a credible guesstimate of what the extent of the problem is? 10%? 80%?

My GNRCE pf after 150 plays is still “perfect”. So is my WonkaCE

Does JJP want this issue? Absolutely not and I’m sure they are doing whatever they need to do to TRY and remedy further issues down the road.

NOBODY is going to sue JJP, Mirco or a distro.

They don’t warranty perfection and I wouldn’t put up legal fees to argue breach of the “implied merchantability” and “implied fitness for a particular purpose” warranties. You LOSE imho!

Because these games are so GREAT overall you all know that FOMO will take over again and TOY STORY will sell out CEs immediately AGAIN!

It’s just the way it is. Why? Because not enough people will STOP buying JJP games even under the current conditions.

Pinball people know the overall value they get.

If I wasn’t 100% correct then you wouldn’t be able to sell a JJP POTC for anything yet the CEs go for $35k now

Stop and think about that for a minute. Then get a raincoat for all that “pissing in the wind”.

New to this whole pin collecting and have zero skin in the game. Probably will take an act of God for me to ever afford a NIB anyways. But I do enjoy a good serving of internet drama and this one delivers so thank you all for that.

Now for my opinion: Digital printing is the culprit. Huge pain in the ass to go back to old school tried and true methods of playfield decoration. No print around posts would be a good bandaid. When I see this clear coat separating I see a fixable blunder.

The first home I bought a decade ago came with some beat ass wood flooring covering the entire first floor never seen any love since it was built in 1960. I spent a week sanding and covering with hi build poly never had worked with this before. Had to move in a week later but the stuff was still tacky. Like peel it up with your fingernail. So I laid down cardboard and left it for like two months. Had a diamond plate floor when lifted the covering up.

Bottom line is JJP knows what they need to do but will they do it?

Where is John Greatwich? He has been printing playfields on a printer for a long time. His don’t fall apart. Maybe he could shed some light on the subject.