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Why is deathsaving considered cheating?

By snowy_owl

3 years ago


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    “Is deathsaving cheating?”

    • Yes, of course! Duh. 104 votes
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    • Nope, it's a real skill of pinball, not cheating. 15 votes
      9%
    • No, but should be illegal in competitive play. 41 votes
      26%

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    #101 3 years ago
    Quoted from DNO:

    I use these cabinet door-slam protectors from 3M.
    I put them on the games and don't need to worry about people shoving them around

    Interesting. And creative idea!

    Personally, I wouldn't like these adhesive nubs because -- outside of tournaments -- I think that deathsaves are awesome. Similar to @85vett, as long as someone isn't kicking the legs or bashing adjacent cabinets, people are free to deathsave on the pins in my collection. I have my tilts set pretty tight, that even a smooth deathsave will usually get you two warnings on default debounce settings. On a rare occasion, you'll only get one. So it's similar to the ability to do a massive slide save for SDTM or wicked shimmy: if you haven't used up your dangers, then you can attempt to save the ball by making a big move.

    We even have a group started locally here called Death Save Disciples (DSD for short), along with a sweet sweet T-shirt showing the grim reaper trying to take your ball in a R outlane drain situation.

    #106 3 years ago
    Quoted from DNO:

    My death save skills are probably fading tho...

    Nah... it's like riding a bike.

    I still remember the first major tourney I went to, seeing you play for the first time, and marveling at how good you were at nudging the pin -- and how much I had to learn.

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    #113 3 years ago
    Quoted from UltraPeepi:

    Here is where it gets tricky...if a player is in multiball, and makes a nudge that results in a death save, is that disqualification? Or is it just considered a Lazarus. Does it have to be intentional? What if there were 4 balls bouncing around, and one death saves? If I were to witness the move, and there were another plausible reason to nudge the machine at that moment, I'd probably let it go. If however, the player was at 2 balls, one was cradled on the left, the other drains out the right, and a death save is performed - THAT's a DQ.

    In competition, a death save is a DQ, regardless of whether you're in single ball or multiball play. Enforcing it could be more difficult, as you suggested, since a player could be nudging simultaneously to influence balls still in play. It comes down to sportsmanship. Like some of the other infrequently encountered rules in pinball comps, if the potential infraction can't be assessed with certainty, then as a TD, I would ask the player, "Did you nudge it to try to death save the outlane-drained ball?" If yes, then DQ. If no, then play on... and I'm then watching the player's remaining ball or game to ensure there aren't any other gray areas that he/she is attempting to circumvent.

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