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Why I Bailed on Stern Pinball


By freakandgeek

3 months ago



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    #2 3 months ago

    Cool story bro

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    #3 3 months ago

    You’re right. New Stern pinball machines are built like garbage.
    It’s quite sad, really.

    #4 3 months ago

    I suppose I should consider myself lucky as my SW pro has no dimpling. I do not play it a lot so maybe I’ll be one of the lucky ones??

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    #5 3 months ago

    When you say "no Stern machine is safe from the vault effect" I strongly disagree.
    I'm nearly certain they will never vault WWE.

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    #6 3 months ago

    Fuck it dude, let’s go bowling

    #7 3 months ago

    OP - where are the $5600 TWD Prem’s and $4000 AS Pros you alluded to in the article? I don’t think I’ve seen either title hit those numbers, and even if 1-2 did, it’s certainly not the norm. I’d be all over a $4k AS.

    #8 3 months ago

    I think my Iron Maiden is built pretty good actually. I changed things up with my last purchase and went with CGC and yes you can tell the difference in the build quality but I still think Stern puts out great games.

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    #9 3 months ago

    The value in my games is the fun they bring, not the profit they might bring

    #10 3 months ago

    Can we just acknowledge that our opinions only really matter to ourselves? Again, fuck it dude. Lets go bowling

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    #11 3 months ago

    It's called depreciation. If you are buying ANY pinball machine NIB, and believe that doing so is a good strategy to make money consistently, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you....

    #12 3 months ago
    Quoted from Coindork:

    When you say "no Stern machine is safe from the vault effect" I strongly disagree.
    I'm nearly certain they will never vault WWE.

    That's what they sad about iron man...

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    #13 3 months ago

    Stern will never be the same since your bail

    #14 3 months ago

    Great article! I only purchased an Elvira
    To complete the trio . I’m guessing we have 100 games now and 3 Sterns . I really saw the decline in quality starting after AC/DC-Metallica , metal
    Back box, lock down bar and it seems something is shaved off somewhere on every game . But that’s ok , there’s AP, CGC , and more . Honestly it’s more of the newer pin guys who love Stern ? I think if and when these guys do a complete restoration they will see the difference

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    #15 3 months ago

    This is a "pinvesting" article. And a wordy one, at that.

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    #16 3 months ago

    I appreciate most of the points in the article, but not once does he mention how they play. For all their faults there’s nothing that plays like a modern Stern, and I mean that in a good way. I like 90’s games as much as anyone, but given the choice I’d likely pick a modern Stern.

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    #17 3 months ago

    I used to buy a lot of collectables thinking they would be worth money in the future . From collectible toys , animation cells , bmx's , pinballs ect . I've learnt if you want an investment buy land , shares or gold . JJP , CGC make new versions of their old games , so it's not just Stern . Buy a pinball machine for the fun of playing it , not to make money , and if you do make money on it , consider it a bonus .

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    #18 3 months ago

    What other hobby can you buy a fun toy brand new, play it for 5 years, and then get upset that it's only worth 80-90% of its original value? Sorry, but this is a really dumb article. If you want to invest put your money in the stock market. Stern still makes the most fun pinball machines of all time!

    #19 3 months ago

    I sure hate it when pinball companies make more of pinball machines that people like.

    #20 3 months ago

    The article (if you can call it that) completely lost me near the beginning. It's called "Why I Bailed on Stern" and almost immediately goes into dollar value per machine. Why should that be the leading reason? Stern is a business that relies on supply and demand. They see the demand and make vault editions. It sucks if all you do as an owner is sit on a pin because of it's perceived value, but that shouldn't be any reason to bail on Stern. Otherwise, you would need to bail on nearly every other pin maker too.

    The dimpling is a bigger reason and at least that was mentioned. Production quality has also declined, but there wasn't much on that. How about when Stern charges $280 for an add-on that should have been included in the high-end models? Or any number of reasons to show that Stern doesn't care about the customer as much as they do the profits.

    I'm happy that Stern kept pinball alive. I'm happy for the several dozen games they've made that have been successful and I enjoy. I probably won't ever buy a NIB from them though. Too risky for me.

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    #21 3 months ago

    I for one am completely glad that you have 'bailed on Stern', and hope that anyone else that is buying machines as an investment is going to follow your advice, and stop doing it.

    It is people like you who drive up the cost of machines in the second-hand market for their own profit, refusing to accept that a game you bought new a few years ago and played to death would depreciate in value - who'd have thought? When enough people believe this BS you start seeing games for sale at more than NIB prices because the owner has had a clown puke some garish LEDs over them of zip-tie on some plastic toy to 'add value' to the machine

    Who'd have thought that a business (for that is what Stern is) would see a huge demand for a product that they have made, still have the capability to make, and decide to manufacture and sell them? How dare they impact on your ability to profit from their machine.

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    #22 3 months ago

    This is so stupid. How can you compare the inflation in price of a 80’s or 90’s machine to a modern stern? It’s called inflation. Wait 20 years then compare the price of a used walking dead. So dumb.

    It’s like saying I won’t buy a 2020 Chevy corvette because when I drive it off the lot I lose 20%, but give me a 1970’s mustang! Look at how much those have gone up in value. Shut up

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    #23 3 months ago
    Quoted from WJxxxx:

    I for one am completely glad that you have 'bailed on Stern', and hope that anyone else that is buying machines as an investment is going to follow your advice, and stop doing it.
    It is people like you who drive up the cost of machines in the second-hand market for their own profit, refusing to accept that a game you bought new a few years ago and played to death would depreciate in value - who'd have thought? When enough people believe this BS you start seeing games for sale at more than NIB prices because the owner has had a clown puke some garish LEDs over them of zip-tie on some plastic toy to 'add value' to the machine
    Who'd have thought that a business (for that is what Stern is) would see a huge demand for a product that they have made, still have the capability to make, and decide to manufacture and sell them? How dare they impact on your ability to profit from their machine.

    Did you read the part about how I sold the games? That means I asked for market value, I am not an idiot. How else do you sell something?

    And trust me I hate clown puke LEDs even more than you.

    The point was Stern (and Jersey Jack too) are fucking collectors for their own greed. The only company treating us with actual respect and doing things the right way currently is Spooky. Spooky says they will make X machines and they stick to it. When they are gone, they are gone. This is how collectables are supposed to work. Would you expect Chevy to re-release a '53 Corvette?

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    #24 3 months ago

    When did a pinball machine become a “collectible”?

    #25 3 months ago
    Quoted from WackyBrakke:

    When did a pinball machine become a “collectible”?

    Says the guy with 14 at home in a collection. Oh and I am sure the dozens you sold never turned a profit. Right?

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    #26 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    Did you read the part about how I sold the games? That means I asked for market value, I am not an idiot. How else do you sell something?
    And trust me I hate clown puke LEDs even more than you.
    The point was Stern (and Jersey Jack too) are fucking collectors for their own greed. The only company treating us with actual respect and doing things the right way currently is Spooky. Spooky says they will make X machines and they stick to it. When they are gone, they are gone. This is how collectables are supposed to work. Would you expect Chevy to re-release a '53 Corvette?

    Pinball machines are't collectibles. Your joy in the hobby is being killed by greed....your own greed. Not Stern's.

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    #27 3 months ago
    Quoted from JodyG:

    Pinball machines are't collectibles

    You may want to open a dictionary.

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    #28 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    The point was Stern (and Jersey Jack too) are fucking collectors for their own greed. The only company treating us with actual respect and doing things the right way currently is Spooky. Spooky says they will make X machines and they stick to it.

    If you could point me to where Stern said they would make x amount of Iron Man, Spiderman, Star Wars, etc. which they reneged on by doing a vault or comic art I'd be interested to see that.

    JJP have been more of at 'fault' with this by releasing numerous LE editions of Woz, but you didn't title your thread 'Why I Bailed on JJP Pinball', you instead lumped on Stern - citing the fact that the machines YOU bought (having seen other machines rise in value) had not in fact gone up in value.

    I repeat, it is just sour grapes that you have lost perceived profit, and the less people try passing off second hand machines at NIB or higher prices the better.

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    #29 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    The point was Stern (and Jersey Jack too) are fucking collectors for their own greed.

    No man, you're fucking yourself.

    #30 3 months ago
    Quoted from WJxxxx:

    JJP have been more of at 'fault' with this by releasing numerous LE editions of Woz, but you didn't title your thread 'Why I Bailed on JJP Pinball', you instead lumped on Stern - citing the fact that the machines YOU bought (having seen other machines rise in value) had not in fact gone up in value.

    Bingo

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    #31 3 months ago

    I’m enjoying my Elvira HOH and eagerly awaiting my JP. I fully expect to lose money IF I ever sell them........show me another hobby where you can consistently get back 80% of what you spent on a new toy.......

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    #32 3 months ago

    Here we go again with the greed thing. So Stern is greedy for looking for profit but you are not for wanting a bigger return on your "investment"? I'm sure you wouldn't complain if a pin you bought went way up in value but oh boy are we going to hear it if it goes down one cent.

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    #33 3 months ago

    If only there was a way to buy these evil new Sterns second-hand...

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    #34 3 months ago

    Got to love how Stern gets blasted for making a profit.

    I guess they should focus on losing money instead..........and people wonder why I always say economics should be mandatory in school.

    #35 3 months ago

    When I buy any pin for my Enjoyment, I never view it as a profitable venture. I know I am OK to lose some money when I would sell.
    When I buy for Enjoyment and Profit, specifically a Stern, I buy carefully, to realize the possibility
    of profit. Always used, and so far, I have never lost more than 5% on average....A daily loss in the stock market sometimes.
    How one buys and sells, and what one "expects" is the issue.

    Dont buy Pinball for Profit, Buy it for Fun! What is that worth?

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    #36 3 months ago
    Quoted from WackyBrakke:

    This is so stupid. How can you compare the inflation in price of a 80’s or 90’s machine to a modern stern? It’s called inflation. Wait 20 years then compare the price of a used walking dead. So dumb.
    It’s like saying I won’t buy a 2020 Chevy corvette because when I drive it off the lot I lose 20%, but give me a 1970’s mustang! Look at how much those have gone up in value. Shut up

    I was talking about their run up the last 10 years not since beginning of their release. Otherwise the numbers would’ve been even more lopsided.

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    #37 3 months ago
    Quoted from GorillaBiscuits:

    If only there was a way to buy these evil new Sterns second-hand...

    Lol. The article sucks, but these responses are gold.

    #38 3 months ago
    Quoted from GorillaBiscuits:

    If only there was a way to buy these evil new Sterns second-hand...

    Exactly, you hear all this whining about quality, but I’ve yet to see a reduced priced pin with dimpling, pooling etc.

    #39 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    Would you expect Chevy to re-release a '53 Corvette?

    If Chevrolet could reasonably make a profit from a new '53 Corvette, then I have no doubt they would. There's no binding contract that something is a collectable, they certainly weren't when they were new.

    Hell, you can build a brand new '69 Camaro from parts these days.

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    #40 3 months ago
    Quoted from GorillaBiscuits:

    If only there was a way to buy these evil new Sterns second-hand...

    Obviously this is the way to buy them but you can still get burned if you buy just before a vault comes out.

    #41 3 months ago

    I assume you're buying these and not taking them out the box. Freaking "collectable". Buy for your enjoyment or save your money and go play one on site.

    #42 3 months ago
    Quoted from Trekkie1978:

    Got to love how Stern gets blasted for making a profit.
    I guess they should focus on losing money instead..........and people wonder why I always say economics should be mandatory in school.

    It is common place, in specific media, to degrade some companies that make a profit.
    It is politically designed, and falls under social judgement of the masses promoted by some media,
    to vilify some entities as "Greedy" or "Hypocritical" and garnish a mass negative attitude towards
    political positions. (We are good/right, they are bad/evil)

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    #43 3 months ago

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    Quoted from JodyG:Pinball machines are't collectibles. Your joy in the hobby is being killed by greed....your own greed. Not Stern's.

    OK so to be happy I need to needlessly throw money away. Thanks got, it I’ll try that from now on I’m sure I’ll be happier.

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    #44 3 months ago

    I just opened a pack of baseball cards and didn’t get a Mike Trout autograph, I’m going to write an angry letter to Topps about how I just lost $3

    #45 3 months ago
    Quoted from jawjaw:

    Here we go again with the greed thing. So Stern is greedy for looking for profit but you are not for wanting a bigger return on your "investment"? I'm sure you wouldn't complain if a pin you bought went way up in value but oh boy are we going to hear it if it goes down one cent.

    I don’t think I used the term greedy in the article. I mentioned a lack of empathy for the collector mindset. Which I stand by. Also I believe they were plenty profitable before they started releasing vaults.

    #46 3 months ago
    Quoted from Jaybird815:

    I just opened a pack of baseball cards and didn’t get a Mike Trout autograph, I’m going to write an angry letter to Topps about how I just lost $3

    Wrong analogy. Not even close. You might want to caffeinate up and come back.

    #47 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    Wrong analogy. Not even close. You might want to caffeinate up and come back.

    Nope they’re both “hobbies” that I enjoy and fully expect not to profit off of

    #48 3 months ago
    Quoted from epotech:

    I assume you're buying these and not taking them out the box. Freaking "collectable". Buy for your enjoyment or save your money and go play one on site.

    You assumed incorrectly I played the hell out of all of them.

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    #49 3 months ago
    Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

    When I buy any pin for my Enjoyment, I never view it as a profitable venture. I know I am OK to lose some money when I would sell.
    When I buy for Enjoyment and Profit, specifically a Stern, I buy carefully, to realize the possibility
    of profit. Always used, and so far, I have never lost more than 5% on average....A daily loss in the stock market sometimes.
    How one buys and sells, and what one "expects" is the issue.
    Dont buy Pinball for Profit, Buy it for Fun! What is that worth?

    But all Pinball’s are fun. So when you can easily buy things that are appreciating that would be the smart move = unless you just like to throw away money.

    #50 3 months ago
    Quoted from freakandgeek:

    You assumed incorrectly I played the hell out of all of them.

    I see irony is lost on you.

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