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Why don’t manufacturers install shooter lane protectors NIB?

By cooked71

2 years ago


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    #1 2 years ago

    Most current manufacturers install scoop protectors out of the box these days. Why not shooter lane protection? Especially with the fragile nature of current clear coats. Not even Mylar gets installed yet they put Mylar everywhere else.

    #2 2 years ago

    I'll go out on a limb and say because there isn't a demand for it. This is the first I've ever even heard of shooter lane protection. Honestly, I guess they are making these games to be played, and not really considering them to be long term collector items that stay pristine.

    #3 2 years ago

    Cost! Plan and simple $20-$40 x the entire production run could easily cost them up to 6 figures.

    #4 2 years ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Cost! Plan and simple $20-$40 x the entire production run could easily cost them up to 6 figures.

    It wouldn’t cost them that much over a couple thousand games. Especially if done during production. But even just Mylar? Or even just on the top end version of the game.

    #5 2 years ago

    Great question.
    No, if the protectors were massed produced, the cost would be low.

    #6 2 years ago

    Crazy but my Rolling Stones LE has the metal prongs installed to detect ball type. It actually makes for a great shooter protector as well(looks new). Gave me the thought that Stern NEEDS to partner with Cliffy. I mean what can it cost per game in bulk-like $7 ea?

    Make it so

    #7 2 years ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Cost! Plan and simple $20-$40 x the entire production run could easily cost them up to 6 figures.

    $20-$40? Wtf? Maybe $1 if it’s a metal protector, and like $0.01 if it’s a piece of Mylar

    #8 2 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    I'll go out on a limb and say because there isn't a demand for it. This is the first I've ever even heard of shooter lane protection. Honestly, I guess they are making these games to be played, and not really considering them to be long term collector items that stay pristine.

    Very much out on a limb there. Guessing you haven’t owned a recent game from Stern or JJP?

    #9 2 years ago
    Quoted from nicoy3k:

    $20-$40? Wtf? Maybe $1 if it’s a metal protector, and like $0.01 if it’s a piece of Mylar

    Easy tiger, I was going off the cost of cliffys, as none of us know what Stern would do, bring it in house? Contract it out? So we don’t know what it would cost them.

    Plus mass production savings only work if every shooter is identical, which they haven’t been as I have had different shooter protectors off cliffy for Deadpool compared to AIQ to Mando.

    Anyway we all know it’s a cost thing. And I would rather buy a cliffy and keep him in business!

    #10 2 years ago

    Cause by the time your shooter lane has damage you should be thinking about buying their next title?

    #11 2 years ago

    A little mylar wouldn't hurt. They already use it on the playfield.

    #12 2 years ago

    If buyers demand it most likely Stern would just do it in house…..why bring in a middleman to eat your profit. We are talking a part that costs maybe $1 and 10 minutes of labor to install but the true cost to Stern is more…design cost, another part to purchase and inventory. It’s not a money maker. Stern is probably better off to just let the aftermarket vendors make them….now if Stern has to ever add a new feature to compete with another manufacturer they can cheaply and easily add protectors to their new games as a Standard feature……it really is dumb to have to buy protectors for a Brand New game that should be there in the first place but Stern doesn’t care. Until buyers demand it, it won’t happen but I caution people to be careful what you wish for. Cliffy is reasonably priced. The Stern protection Kit will set you back a lot more I can guarantee you.

    #13 2 years ago
    Quoted from EJS:

    Cause by the time your shooter lane has damage you should be thinking about buying their next title?

    Genuinely made me laugh, very good response.

    #14 2 years ago

    Simply because they don't care about it. They want you to buy another game or playfield, plus a lot of people would argue that it looks bad on the game so why not let the consumer worry about it?

    John

    #15 2 years ago

    Like what EJS said - they don't want games to last forever, they want them wear out, replace and do it again

    as for scoops they do it so it cuts the small guy out from creating a mod

    #16 2 years ago

    Support Cliffy!!!

    #17 2 years ago

    Great question. Why doesn't Stern do an upgraded package with shooter lane protector, cliffy's, and plastic protectors? I would gladly pay $100 more to avoid the hassle of doing it myself and ordering all the parts.

    #18 2 years ago

    Why do they just do an extra layer or two of clear coat in the lane and be done.

    #19 2 years ago

    At the very least they could turn down the default ball eject strength. That would cost them zero dollars.

    There is no reason for it to be set so high out of the box as default. That’s what’s actually causing the damage.

    #20 2 years ago

    To be honest, I’m glad they don’t and wish they wouldn’t. Rather get high quality ones from Cliffy. The ones jjp tried to use in dialed in were awful.

    #21 2 years ago

    Hoohoohoo!
    You guys are a riot.

    I've never once given a Tinkers Damn what a shooter lane looks like.

    Terminal Geeks!

    #22 2 years ago

    I don't install them , I just turn the strength all the way down for the trough eject and when I do my playfield wipes I make sure to hit that area too...always look fine after thousands of plays.

    But mylar would seem to be a no brainer, inexpensive, and makes everyone happy.

    #23 2 years ago
    Quoted from cooked71:

    Very much out on a limb there. Guessing you haven’t owned a recent game from Stern or JJP?

    No, I never have. My circle grew up in the blown out 80s playfield era. I asked a friend if he wanted his worn to the wood Cyclone touched up and mylared. He declined - said it would ruin its authenticity. We also agreed those who buy brand spanking new games and tear them apart to clear them are batshit crazy. There's just multiple philosophies of this hobby, that's all. If you are buying new top of the line games and want to preserve them for resale, we guess that's important to you. Other collectors could give a rats ass about the condition of the shooter lane. In the grand scheme of pinball, it's really not important.

    #24 2 years ago
    Quoted from gonzo73:

    Hoohoohoo!
    You guys are a riot.
    I've never once given a Tinkers Damn what a shooter lane looks like.
    Terminal Geeks!

    Exactly 100%! It's doesn't matter one bit to playing pinball - only to high end flippers!

    #25 2 years ago

    just cut some mylar into mini man pants and slap it in! and play

    #26 2 years ago
    Quoted from wayout440:

    No, I never have. My circle grew up in the blown out 80s playfield era. I asked a friend if he wanted his worn to the wood Cyclone touched up and mylared. He declined - said it would ruin its authenticity. We also agreed those who buy brand spanking new games and tear them apart to clear them are batshit crazy. There's just multiple philosophies of this hobby, that's all. If you are buying new top of the line games and want to preserve them for resale, we guess that's important to you. Other collectors could give a rats ass about the condition of the shooter lane. In the grand scheme of pinball, it's really not important.

    Quoted from wayout440:

    Exactly 100%! It's doesn't matter one bit to playing pinball - only to high end flippers!

    Agree that you dont need it on old games - I've never once installed anything on older games. Ive got a Metle, Stle and TWD here which I unboxed that dont have anything on them and they all look great. Ive owned heaps of pre 2000's games and havent needed to.

    Ive had a few CGC and Spooky games and never had to install anything.

    And no, im not a "high end flipper". I play my games as much as you do - im not a "collector" - I just like the high end version of the game and I can afford it.

    But clearly some of you havent had experience with newer games post Ghostbusters (?). I unboxed a GBLE and after about 100 plays the clear was literally chipping and lifting off the shooter lane in big chinks. It's pretty much been an issue ever since for Stern & JJP games.

    My Mando LE I just unboxed - literally after 10 games its showing signs of damage. So it's mylar ASAP or the clear will chip.

    #27 2 years ago

    Lower the trough power, put Mylar on it and done. Takes 2 min and don’t need to wait on cliffy to make his protectors.

    #28 2 years ago
    Quoted from chuckwurt:

    Lower the trough power, put Mylar on it and done. Takes 2 min and don’t need to wait on cliffy to make his protectors.

    I always set it to the lowest possible - but agree with a previous post that they should allow lower power- even the lowest Stern setting is still really agressive. JJP is better - you can adjust to be very low - too low.

    But why does Stern install mylar anywhere if not shooter lane? It cops the most beating of anywhere.

    But yeh, ive given up on Cliffy's for shooter lane simply because it takes to long from the US. It's just mylar now. But to do it properly I find you need to unscrew the shooter lane guide and run it underneath. Otherwise even on Stern's lowest setting it lifts.

    #29 2 years ago
    Quoted from cooked71:

    even the lowest Stern setting is still really agressive.

    If you put it on the lowest setting it won’t even kick the ball out. Haha

    #30 2 years ago
    Quoted from chuckwurt:

    If you put it on the lowest setting it won’t even kick the ball out. Haha

    I wonder if he’s thinking of some of the older games when it was low medium high etc rather than a number.

    #31 2 years ago

    "planned obsolescence"

    #32 2 years ago
    Quoted from chuckwurt:

    If you put it on the lowest setting it won’t even kick the ball out. Haha

    Clearly you haven’t tried adjusting it on Mandalorian.

    #33 2 years ago

    Mylar would be a superior protector to the metal ones as they cover the channel area as well. The metal protectors are really ugly as well in my opinion.

    #34 2 years ago
    Quoted from cooked71:

    But why does Stern install mylar anywhere if not shooter lane?

    Because mylar works fine on flat areas of the playfield. Mylar in the shooter lane of a location game isn't going to last long at all. And when it starts peeling, there's a good chance it's going to interfere with a plunge or auto-plunge. Fine for home use, no way on location.

    The shooter lane is typically the biggest part of the playfield with no paint. That's tradition for like more than 100 years. So don't expect any Cliffy-like protectors for the shooter lane either. Are you seeing a lot of shooter lane wear on your games, or are you getting a little over protective?

    #35 2 years ago
    Quoted from phishrace:

    Are you seeing a lot of shooter lane wear on your games, or are you getting a little over protective?

    Read my previous posts.

    #36 2 years ago
    Quoted from cooked71:

    Clearly you haven’t tried adjusting it on Mandalorian.

    Might be worth taking a look at your game, I don’t have mine on the lowest setting, I’ll check later what it’s on for you and it just about kicks the ball out, its never failed but any lower and it most likely would struggle.

    #37 2 years ago
    Quoted from J85M:

    Might be worth taking a look at your game, I don’t have mine on the lowest setting, I’ll check later what it’s on for you and it just about kicks the ball out, its never failed but any lower and it most likely would struggle.

    Can’t go any lower than 175 or 176. Which is fine. I’ve got Mylar on. All good.

    My point has been playfield protection is clearly popular enough to support Cliffy (who’s so busy he can’t keep up) and numerous other businesses. So clearly I’m not the only one. Manufacturers put some protectors on certain high impact areas, but why not the shooter lane which cops the most beating?

    #38 2 years ago
    Quoted from cooked71:

    Clearly you haven’t tried adjusting it on Mandalorian.

    Maybe each coder chooses how they want the setting to be. AIQ definitely goes so low the coil doesn’t even fire.

    #39 2 years ago

    Not sure about how much putting on lowest setting for trough eject really matters with Sterns. They still fire out like a rocket and mangle the shooters quick. Turning down and mylar help but really only one solution and that is a Cliffy. People saying why would the manufacturer want it to last? Are you kidding me? Gary Stern is very passionate about his product and why would you not want it to hold up and last. You want people enjoying these machines for generations. I would think he would want his legacy to live on. I think if they could partner with Cliffy it would be a win win. The cost and time for install would be minimal. A little protection would go a long way.

    -Make it so!

    #40 2 years ago

    There is a metal side wall piece on my MMR and I think on my Mando as well. Side wall opposite of the ball eject maybe more for the shooter and also where the ejected ball strikes the opposite side wall but no factory ball eject protector. Seems to be a job half done and just needs the ball eject one as well. So the manufacturers did do something a piece it anyway.

    #41 2 years ago

    I think I have owned a few machines where the trough eject does not mangle the shooter. The balls are ejected like a soft turd and the shooters stay pristine. I think they were Twilight Zone and Pistol Poker. I never did like the design of Stern's trough ejects.

    Come to think of it-I wonder if it will actually save Stern money installing Cliffy's by not having so many warranty issues with the clear chipping prematurely, etc?

    $7 Cliffy or $500 playfield?

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