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Quoted from FatPanda:To add, when was the last time we saw any wireforms from Stern?
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Quoted from epthegeek:A bit of an aside, but I'm surprised a mod maker hasn't come up with some way to redirect that kickout to not be so lethal.
mod makers would just be showing Stern how to make an ass on mod so fix their shotty designs 
They've already ruined the (horrible but relevant) topper market.
Quoted from Cycloneman:for us the old school pinheads subways are cool and adds much more fun to the game,i know not a lot of people will agree but its something i grew up with while playing pinball way back in the good old days
Yeah but it's sooooooo confusing 
This isn't super difficult... It's not the subway itself that's cool, whom gives a shit, it's the ability to make more creative designs on the PF (you may have heard peeps are kind of tired of the similar PFs).
Cant have a piano shot without a subway, can't shoot a STTNG cannon in a scoop without a subway, Cant have a whirpool without a subway.... Etc
Quoted from Maken:You guys are crazy if you think subways aren't confusing for inexperienced players. Ever watch a newb play CFTBL? Right into the drain without flipping.
Have you ever played a Stern today? Fucking scoops sent the ball SDTM most the time anyway 
... They already added a ball saver when it happens so what's the difference? It happens a few times and you learn it.
Quoted from Maken:The difference is obvious, with a scoop the ball comes out of the same hole that it went into.
Missed my point. I understand you think people are so dumb they can't move their head 2 inches one way or the other, but they'll learn.
There's 2 kinds of noobs ; one that will be confused by anything and play once and leave, and those that want to learn. They'll figure it out.
Haha, 
baby time.
Anyway, for the grown ups, I think your making it more confusing than it needs to be. Subways usually lead to the same place. Take TZ, we know when the ball "disappears" it's going to come out of the slot machine. When it disappears in No Fear, it's coming out to the right flipper...it's repeatable and people can pick it up pretty quick. Sure of course some dumbasses will never learn but as it was mentioned before these poeple cant even launch the ball.
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