Quoted from dmbjunky:
You may think that British culture is the same as American culture but you are wrong. Do you think black brits are offended by the Confederate Flag? Do you think they know who General Lee is? What do you think racism even looks like in Britain? Here's a hint it's very different from here in the U.S, as are the words that are offensive between you and every one else.
if you're going to argue against the idea of such a thing as "Western culture" you are going to be arguing with a lot more people than just me. i'm not pulling these concepts and definitions out of my butt. they are well established terms.
you are mistaken if you don't think i have spent an awful lot of time reading, studying, listening to others, and thinking about these things. i'm not just spouting things off the top my head.
on the subject of slang and the American Civil War, you seem to want to quibble about specific historical incidents or vocabulary that people from other countries might not be familiar with. so what? when a Southern person flies a confederate flag, it has a specific historical context and impact on people of color which that person has no legitimate excuse for not understanding. the same as if someone goes around equating female genitalia with a shameful lack of strength (which actually requires zero historical context anyway).
Quoted from TigerLaw:
In "Western society"? What does that mean exactly? Things are better for females in the Middle East, Africa, or Japan and we are just behind the times in the US? I'm really curious what your point is here as I don't get it.
i certainly don't mean to imply that things are any better for women in other societies. i really would be generalizing though if i were trying to talk about the entire world, though, so i'm talking about "Western culture" because that is the culture in which we here on Pinside live. it's a thing i did not make up.
Quoted from TigerLaw:
I was called a shitbag earlier in this thread by a lady I've never met for no good reason. No one likes being called any name that is meant to be derogatory, ever. An insult is an insult, all of them suck. Best to just move past them though and not hold grudges wherever possible.
have we? i'm so glad!
Quoted from jgentry:
You are either a complete hypocrite to your own cause or you are not fighting for equal rights at all. So you want to swing to pendulum to the other extreme so you can correct the wrongs of the world? Lots of really scary people in history had similar philosophies.
yeah i know, asking people not to be jerks to marginalized people was what Hitler was all about, right? haha.
admit it, it doesn't actually bother you when someone used the word "dick" to describe an unpleasant person. if you're not going to be honest, there's no point in having this conversation. i'm perfectly willing to talk but don't feed me disingenuous complaints. now, if you're being honest at least with yourself, maybe you're wondering why it upsets women to have their body parts equated with weakness, but it doesn't bother you to have male anatomy likened to something negative.
the answer, interestingly, is the same reason i stick around and argue while most women have abandoned this place: privilege. you and i enjoy the position of being in a purely academic argument. neither of us are really threatened first-hand by any of this. neither of us deal with this crap every day, neither of us are going to get PMs of death threats or our sex lives pored over or devices hacked and nudes posted or any of the sorts of things that happen to women who engage in these arguments online.
equality between the sexes begins by confronting the differences in the way culture treats them, not by pretending both are already on equal footing.
Quoted from jgentry:
You are assuming that all men would not be offended. You are also assuming that all women feel oppressed and need your help which I can promise you many would laugh at.
i'm not assuming "all women" anything. but i do know a lot of women have complained about the general culture here on Pinside and have been dismissed and run off. you guys really believe the reason this place is 95%+ white males is because people of color and women simply don't like pinball, for entirely nebulous reasons. and then when someone does show up and say it's gross, you call them a "hairy legged feminazi"* and keep on just thinking the reason it's such a sausage party has nothing to do with that behavior.
* that's a quote from earlier in this thread