It's deffinatly a shooters game. If you want to mindlessly shoot ramps and orbits than this game is not for you, you can do that on this game, it just won't get you anywhere. Holy crap is the game deep, I think this is a main reason why people don't like it. You can't just bang bang bang and knock out a good game, it takes some skill and a lot of thought which most people dont want to have to think. Some of the shots are really hard also, a lot of people here seem to like spoon fed shots (ie. "satisfying shots"). It's deffinatly not a game for everyone.

As for the theme, I think it's awesome. Freakn timeless...

ECMB would be your gimme multiball, it pretty easy to get. The rest of the game is pretty damn difficult no matter how you slice it. It's got people closeing up their outlanes, making it easy to get extra balls, playing it in five ball, maxing out ball save, and God knows what other adjustments to help them get farther in the game. I plan to do none the sort, so far playing stock factory settings and I intend to keep it that way. The carrot is there but you are going to have to think a little and work towards it. Like I said, that's not something the average person wants to do when they approach a game. I think they did a pretty good job appealing to both players and nonplayers. The average person can approach the game, knock the ball around and feel like they accomplished something, at the same time there is plenty of depth and skill required shots to keep the more hard core players happy.

Christ I can remember people begging for a ball save feature after a crystal ball mode triggered (weak flippers? No hold?..don't remember), really? More evidence of people wanting to be spoon fed. How about paying attention and being ready...

Edit: I might.....might enable a timed ball save, just to eliminate a quick drain immediately after a plunge.

Uh oh... A little truth shines through.

This is another reason why people relentlessly follow these threads even when they do not or chose not to own the game. People got so but hurt over waiting so long, and rightfully so. On the other hand if you really believed Jack when he said the game would be delivered around Christmas of 2011, then you had some pretty high hope. I knew that dates they were giving me we not going to happen. That's why I didn't bug them much.

I think Jack rubbed a lot of people the wrong way and this is why you have what you have here. I mean, who the hell follows a game they don't like? I realize in this case here the thread title drew them in but what about all the other threads? Maybe it goes back to what was stated earlier in this thread by one poster.

Empty back glass..

Another ridiculous argument. People talk as if there is absolutely nothing on the back glass. What the hell year are half you guys living in? 1965?

Times change, sometimes we don't like it, but learn to live with it. It happens with everything all around you every day.

Funny

If you can't figure out what to shoot for on woz then I'm afraid there is no hope for you

this is odd because my five year old just about started multiball, that's pretty much all she does at this stage is just bat the ball around and even she understands very basic things on woz, like how to get multiball

"All the stacking is overkill"

I've come to the conclusion the game is just too much for some people, which is fine, they can buy a different game.

This is for all the people that complain that they have no idea what to shoot for.

So my five year old.......FIVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER.......FIVE.....says to me, "daddy, you have to get the cow." So I'm like WTF? I said, "you know where to get the cow?" She says, "yea, pick me up by the side (of the machine)". She then points to the collect shot under the flipper. Not only did she notice there even was a cow, but she knew how to collect it.

How do you come to this conclusion? I will admit though that I do not no how to get a cow, not sure what a cow is worth either but I would wager it is pretty special.

I think the LCD screen adds quite a bit to game play, I'm not sure why someone would think it doesn't, or that a DMD is just as informative in an easy to interpret format. The fact that it is broken up into quadrants is even better, though I think most of the old duds here can't take in that much info at one time lol

I will admit it is a lot for me to take in at once, but I will adapt.

P2K is cool, and yea it would have been something to see where it would be today had they kept building them.

At the very basic level I am at with WOZ I already find the LCD useful. I think the argument "well....I don't look at the display anyways" is a bit ridiculous. Obviously you can't look at it all the time, but to say in not so many words that it wouldn't matter whether it was there or not is stupid. There is useful stuff on the damn thing, much more useful than a DMD.

Does anyone here realize what Jack is trying to do by making this statement here?

Edit: sorry the pictures don't show in this quote. This quote captured where Jack said warranties on non-authorized distributers will not be covered.

Not entirely. He is controlling prices, and making sure any money on the table goes in his pocket. I don't think he is happy at all that people bought games and turned around to sell them for $1000-$2500 more than what they payed for them. It keeps people from buying a handful of games just to turn a profit. If you want to sell games, then get yourself a tax id number, become a distributer and do it right. Not like some f&@king back ally ticket scalper.

Reminds me of ticket scalping.....

It's not just WOZ, it's just about every LE that is produced.

There you go right there. Most peoples opinion is, "sh!t the game only has one ramp? The game sucks." There are a ton of people out there that equate the amount of ramps a game has with how fun or good a game is to play. People were flipping their lids when they found out WOZ only had one ramp. I guess for some people they just like to watch the ball roll around some cool pathways, doesn't matter what is actually happening in the game. You know...I defense of this type of person, my mom is like like this. She really doesn't care what is going on in the game, she just likes to flip the ball, and even if she doesn't actually accomplish anything, a long ball time equals a fun good game.

She is, she just likes to kick the ball around and shoot for things, not really so much what is happening when she makes a shot. She is in her early 60's and still plays when she can. That damn lady has more of a life than i do lol.

I will admit it is fun to watch the ball cruise around cool pathways but it ussually doesnt immediatly equal the game being fun. Most know that some of the more simple built games are really fun. I think this is where we have a bunch of older folks gone full circle and back to EM's.

Reminds me, i need to make a trip to the mama's house to make sure all pins are functioning correctly. They have been getting played a lot and i havent been there in a few months. I try to make it there once in a while to check on them.

No one said anything about SR, but there where plenty of upset people when they found out WOZ only had one ramp. I don't have the time to dig up old threads, but they are here. People talked it down before a ball even hit the wood just because it only had one ramp. Maybe someone here would be good enough to explain why?

I see what you are saying Rob, I just can't see how some people wouldn't even give the game a fair shake and play the game before writing it off because it only has one ramp. I have my beliefs of why people like more ramps, I guess maybe I wanted to hear someone else's opinion, mainly from someone how is ramp happy.

That was a cool pic by the way Vid, what game is that?

Ha ha thats funny. Its crazy to see a ramp used so long ago, even if it is just a little cork screw. I wonder why it took so long for games to really adopt ramps as we know them to be today?

Yea, i havent really studied the progresson of pinball. I mean im pushing 40 and ive been around them since i was very little since our family owned one, but i was not fortunate enough to be able to go to the arcades, and by the time i was, we were into other things. I played very little late in high school since then and even today none of my friends are into pinball.