Why should it be on the seller to disclose information that the buyer might not be willing to share? As far as I'm concerned part of good customer service is giving the buyer the option to share private negotiations. Why not have a sticky thread where buyers can post pics of their new machines and the prices they paid? It seems like a lot of people might feel they have the right to know but not the responsibility to share.

i sold 3 bbb for $50K per last week. hope that helps.

Ok it is this simple

I told my wife I bought a AF and i only paid $500

I don't need her checking to see that I left a zero off....

I only hope my wife never sells my pins for what I said I paid for them

She will.

I once bought a whole table full of $$$$$ telescope eyepieces for a few bucks because the widow said her husband paid $50 each when they were new.

Congrats on buying a new house.

not in my zip code

I think this is a good medium that satisfies both sides. I remember when I first joined the community only 3 years ago this upcoming March. I went off very hard about bad sellers because I had had a very bad first experience as the following quick paragraph will detail:

Needless to say, if there had been FS thread that I could have referenced, that would have been extremely helpful.

Sold my Firepower on ebay recently for $1275.00. Was asking $1,000.00 for it on Pinside. You can figure out the ebay and paypal fees.

didn't say you had to buy the whole thing, but that is a good chunk. Around here, you can find 3 br houses for less than that, if you know how to look.

So for those that want more transparency, who's willing to share what they paid for all their pins?

These are my PAID prices, not SOLD prices

STTNG; $1490; 2011-07-12
HS; $300; 2011-09-09
LAH; $800; 2011-10-22
TOTAN; $2500; 2012-03-03
EATPM; $1000; 2012-03-03
POTO; $1100; 2012-06-16
NGG; $2250; 2012-07-03
TS; $1850; 2012-08-05
TSPP; $3250; 2012-08-11
WWFRR; $950; 2012-09-01
TRON $4800; 2012-10-09
BSD; $1200; 2012-10-22
ID4; $950; 2012-10-27
LOTR; $4000; 2012-11-13
TZ; $3000; 2012-11-24
TZ; $3250; 2012-11-26
MAVERICK $500; 2012-12-14
LOTR; $3500; 2012-12-18
CV; $4000; 2012-12-31
DH; $1500; 2013-01-19
IM; $4000; 2013-01-21
TSPP; $2800; 2013-02-05
IJ; $3750; 2013-02-07
BW; $1000; 2013-02-24
FH; $1800; 2013-02-26
LAH; $600; 2013-03-06
AFM; $6500; 2013-03-30
BS; $900; 2013-04-01
GoldenEy$1250; 2013-04-06
I500; $1500; 2013-04-07
LW3; $700; 2013-04-26
TZ; $3500; 2013-05-14
Gott SM $200; 2013-05-26
SJ; $350; 2013-07-01
POTC; $3250; 2013-07-17
TSPP; $3200; 2013-08-05
ELVIS; $2750; 2013-08-28
SHREK; $3500; 2013-10-08
TRON; $3750; 2013-10-10
XMEN; $3250; 2013-10-27
DrDude; $1300; 2013-11-15
JM; $1400; 2013-11-16
TRON; $4450; 2013-12-12
TFTC; $1750; 2014-02-01
NGG; $2700; 2014-05-17
EATPM; $1600; 2014-10-18
Radical $1850; 2014-11-17
ATLANTIS $700; 2014-11-21

But the asking price is irrelevant, it's can be so far from the asking price to be meaningless.

then why delete it

But it's an irrelevant bench. I can put my afm up for 15k, sell it for 7k and somehow the 15k is a relevant benchmark? I sold my rs 2 years ago. I put it on here for way more than it was worth knowing people here tend to overpay. I got less than asking but still more than it was worth. The asking price post number is pointless.

Nice
Could be a separate thread
I'd play

No but the asking price is just too unrelated to the selling price. Yeah 8K is a stretch, but the RS was hold for about 70% of the the asking price. it would be silly for anyone to try to base a new sale price on that number. everyone here inflates their asking price, we all know that. The only relevant thing would be to post selling numbers but thats not going to happen.

no it does not make the price relevant. If I priced a game like RS at 3500 and know that its a 2200 game all day long, when someone offers me 2600 I'd take it. 5 minutes or 5 days after I post it. your 4 "real benchmarks" are not what it was sold for. You are making an assumption that it was near there.

[looks at poster's collection]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

Like I said yesterday... It's two separate problems

Removing asking prices is annoying but fixing that doesn't actually solve the problem of knowing what games are selling for

Part of the reason is the ability given to edit the subject. It's convenient to put a list price in the subject, then edit it every time the price drops and then add a "sold" after it is gone. Many forum mods simply eliminate the ability to edit posts, and especially subjects, to avoid the many awkward situations introduced by editing past posts which cause threads to look out of sync and ultimately sacrifices the historical integrity of the entire forum.

The better question to ask is why are forum threads still being used instead of the Pinside marketplace? What is it about the marketplace that makes a forum post more effective, and can that be fixed?

Like Billy just said, it's as simple as helping out our fellow pinheads. I don't get why that is such a problem for some people. Wtf

Interesting. Lots of people attacking the OP but no sellers explaining why they'd take the time to proactively go back and delete the original asking price from a thread. If they were cool with it when they posted...why Spend the time to erase it?

Read the thread again.

Referring to eBay s the worst thing people can do (imo) and why I turn up my nose eveytime someone mentions Boston pinball. It's not the same market (even with some overlap).
Trying to win the war and gain only listing prices s a superficial win.

The inherent problem is there are groups involved that do not want the facts published. Be it dealers, flippers, shy buyers etc. the second problem is our hobby is full of dishonest people who will game a systEm for their personal gain.

IMHO - the solution to the problem is to anonymize the results... But you must still encourage participation. Maybe make it a requirement to post Games on pinside,etc or somehow reward verified results submitted etc. without seeing the transaction though the dishonest will ruin every attempt

Simply put... There are too many selfish reasons for people to not have accurate numbers out there

Collecting data is great, but garbage in, garbage out. It's a simple rule. I'm not against leaving the info, it's just not relevant to the sales prices.

Exactly... if the list price is garbage why is effort made to hide it?

Just did. Nobody gave a single good reason as to why it's worth their time to go back into a thread and delete their original asking price.

There's a lot of 'well, it's not relevant anymore' yadda yadda but none of it explains why they feel compelled to delete it. There are PLENTY of irrelevant posts on pinside that the posters don't feel compelled to delete. We're not talking about the sold price so privacy between buyer and seller isn't part of the discussion either.

Frankly, if I change a selling price it's because Im embarressed am by how far apart my asking price and sale price were!

Exactly my point, I chose to update it, I could have left it at 3600 which was the asking price. The asking price was not relevant to the final price.
Ok I edited it I now have the asking price back in the original thread. Now when people want a selling history they will think it was 3600. This is very helpful. Even in my sale listing I asked I had it over priced, which it was.

"the buyer has no right"

1. Etiquette.
If you want to track asking prices, maintain your own database.

2. Location.
Price police fail to recognize that pins have different price points at different locations.
(regional economics)

Just stay on top of asking prices. The OP is the owner of the post and can do whatever they want. I don't understand deleting it either but I'm not going to grill them over it. I bet a majority of the members here will tell you a ball park price if you PM them and ask.

I asked about this to a Mod once and I am pretty sure I was told Robin frowns upon this. Maybe a Mod can chime in. I am pretty sure asking price should not be deleted once the machine is sold.

I know we met and I'll admit when I'm wrong about things. its just that the list price makes no difference as a historical pricing trend. If I had chosen not to edit the pricing it would have looked like it sold for 3600. Just because its fun, I re-edited the FS post. you must have missed a zero or something
which is exactly why looking at these posts is silly as a benchmark, unless the buyer or seller explicitly states the sale price.

Personally, if and when I do sell a machine, I'll probably change the asking price to something ridiculously high and mark it sold at asking price...then leave it for posterity.

Increases the value on future machines. Hey...it's good for pinball.

If you don't want people to know how much you paid then use PMs. No one will even know you bought it.

You did not read it carefully then. I said I did it and it was worth it to make sure people stopped asking about it being available. Deleting all price and writing sold in seemed to finally make it clear. Nothing to do with anything except trying to make it clear its sold.

If it helps the forum I wont do it again. Never gave it any thought. Besides I could list my LOTR for 10k and take a normal offer and the thread would prove nothing.

That depends on a lot of variables, really. Was the asking price high/low? Did it actually sell for anywhere near asking? Are you using the data for buying or selling purposes?

The really *bad* thing is that everyone who sells is looking to get top of the market with every game they sell. Nobody ever looks at what they paid for something and then comes up with a number they can live with, even if it's a 50% markup over what they bought the thing for. If the game appreciated 100%, they want that 100% of that appreciation with next to zero work. All they want to do is post a link to a prior sale and *bam*, where's my money?

That was rantish and wandering. sorry.

I applaud you, sir!

This is the kind of transparency I want to see on Pinside and I am working on some cool (pricing-related) features to accommodate this. I firmly believe that pinball machine pricing should be based on historical (and current) sales data and I think Pinside has a big responsibility in that sense towards our hobby. Heck, it's one of the reasons why I removed our game pricing which was based on Ebay auction results. We now only base our pricing data on data from our own market section.

So, like OP, my question is: What could be the reasons for anyone to not disclose pricing info to the community?

I will use any of your input on said features I'm working on. Thanks.

Great idea.

Whatever you are working on should consist of a way for both the buyer and seller to *anonymously* confirm what the selling price of the pin was, which would then be added to the Pinside database.

So if a pin is sold on Pinside, the seller or buyer could go into the Pinside Sales Database and submit a form of some sort indicating what the sale price was...then the other party who bought or sold the pin would have to confirm that was the sale price before it becomes part of the sales data.

Of course there would be other parameters that should be included, such as condition of the machine (routed, huo, restored etc.).

Gladly!

Currently,
Current_Collection.JPG

And in the past sold prices.

Past_Sold.PNG

Herbert, how did you make that list? Did you copy/paste a lot of info, or was there a quick and simple way to import that info?

I typed it all out actually. I have it in a few spreadsheets though. Probably should have just grabbed it from there