The highest priced games, those costing $8k+, will take the biggest hit on the secondary market and it doesn't matter who builds them, how well the game plays, or how well the game is coded. There's a smaller number of buyers at the higher price points. Stern Pro's, Stern Premium's, and JJP's new SE's (starting with Wonka) will take a lower hit. Only game rarity (lower production counts) will lead to the higher price point games maintaining or increasing in value. Low production counts are why titles like Batman LE / SLE, and Pirates have maintained or increased in value.

Look at Stranger Things LE resale value. Less than 2 months from release and it's lost about $1k in value. I think that's starting to become the new normal due to years of price increases and so many new titles being available. If the game isn't received well within a year or two expect a $1500 - $2k hit. If you bought a NIB Wonka LE today and tried to sell it next month I think you get between $8500 - $9k. Even Jurassic Park LE, one of Stern's best games ever, can now be found used HUO for $800-$1k less then NIB. However, an HUO JP Premium or HUO Wonka SE (builds post playfield issues) are currently taking half the hit with about a $500 decrease on average.

No. It's there. Check his forum activity to help you find it.

LTG : )

i think its gone...

i think it's in the basement...

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-a-crock-of-s-jjp

LTG : )

yea link is dead (at least to me)....all good ... I'm sure it served its purpose

Do you have the basement checked on your main forum list? If not you wknt be able to see it, link works for me

on maybe? thanks for the information

Well. Addams family.

I Think scarcity will surely up the value, but it doesn´t benefit the producing Company.
In fact. If you have a great Product, it will only be stupid to limit produced numbers.

I think a downside on the second hand market in regards to jjp is that all of their game except pirates are still available nib.
(atleast here in europé)

the game and it´s second hand value, will probebly be better meassured way down the line.

I for one would be utterly surprised if, in a ten years time an old jjp isn´t Worth twice as much as a spike stern.

So what is the basement and why are some people granted access and others not? Sounds shady to me. A sub forum that some cannot access.

I get the following when I try to enter it.

OOPS!
ERROR
You don't have access to topics in this sub-forum.

Thanks for the screen shot. It does not show up for me so there are different roles/permissions for each user. Looks like Deep state stuff if you ask me. No wonder people get suspicious of things. I must not be eligible for the club. I wonder how many other users are unaware of it.

Everybody is if they turn it on in their settings.

PM Robin to find out if there is an issue.

LTG : )

He can’t help it. He has a contact with Gary to act this way.

Please tell us where you turn it on in settings? I go to the place to find the basement in the left colum like thelaw’s screen shot, but no setting grayed out. Where can we change this in settings?

It is despicable that Robin is censoring adults and making iceman44 thread difficult to find. One of the more interesting threads and would say most people would like to see it, not be forced to be left out.

Why do Stern games get lighter & lighter

Go to your own page. Dig around in there for Forum Settings. Hiding Content From View.

Two choices - check the one you want. Hide Basement. Or Include Basement.

When you include it. It appears on the forum page for you on the left side.

Robin isn't censoring it. You censored yourself.

LTG : )

Just check on the grey box next to the basement in sub forum topics...available for all ( pretty sure)....funny stuff down there..@odins infamous thread being the one that started it ( I think?)!!!

Thanks for explaining it better and in fewer words than I could...Lloyd rules!!!

Pretty sure I did not censure myself. Still have not found where to view so called basement after checking box saying to unhide default setting. Robin has created a forum where we cannot fully use it, unless we get a Pinside degree. That is censoring us adults and uncalled for. He has purposely made it difficult, which is plain to see and complete rubbish for an open forum of mostly adults I assume. Very irritated by this and still cannot find the thread. Where is the basement sub cat. after unchecking the hide button? Does not show up anywhere that I can find...

Any other ideas? And thanks for your help, I know you did not create this obnoxious roadblock. Pinside needs to really change this from a default setting that is so difficult to implement, if they wish for us users to continue our financial support.
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I got to admit..this is one thing as I get older that does not concern me

Refresh your browser or page, see if it pops up on the left.

If not send Robin a PM for more help.

And would you knock it off with the censure shit. The basement was created as a place for certain threads many would take offense to. Trying to make Pinside a friendlier place for all. So you don't have a free for all on the forum.

Lloyd

It feels like censoring to have a thread discussing a company going to the basement, making it very difficult to find. Cannot see anything anyone other than JJP would take offense to in iceman44 thread. That’s part of being a company, to be able to take customer scrutiny. All customers do this with all companies. No company is exempt. Piling on Stern happens all the time and you don’t see those threads going to the “basement”.

I do agree, we need to keep this a more friendly place. It is understandable that crude, lewd, and disgusting topics should be put in the basement. That is a good place for them, where many would and should take offense. They in fact should be censored that way.

Thanks for the suggestions on refreshing the browser, will try it. And do appreciate your support here on Pinside. Keep the “knock it offs” to yourself, although...

I can’t find it ?
How do I get access to the basement ??
Thanks for the help ,
Please make it easy, simple and with pictures
Cheers

It's in your settings. Turn it on.

LTG : )

Go to your own page. Dig around in there for Forum Settings. Hiding Content From View.

Two choices - check the one you want. Hide Basement. Or Include Basement.

When you include it. It appears on the forum page for you on the left side.

LTG : )

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