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Why didn't you buy a Rick and Morty?


By DanQverymuch

3 months ago



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“Why didn't you buy Rick and Morty”

  • Who are Rick and Morty? 183 votes
    22%
  • Know the show, not a fan 83 votes
    10%
  • Not crazy about Spooky games 143 votes
    17%
  • I never buy before playing 163 votes
    19%
  • Sold out before I had a chance 62 votes
    7%
  • Late to party, didn't want to wait a year or more 31 votes
    4%
  • Saving $ for another upcoming title 55 votes
    7%
  • NIB is beyond current means 63 votes
    8%
  • Other reason (please elaborate!) 57 votes
    7%

(Multiple choice - 840 votes by 647 Pinsiders)

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#101 3 months ago
Quoted from seenev:

Those 7 segment led displays in the playfield are super cheap and easy to drive. For $7000 why not put an lcd into the playfield? I've used and programmed 7 segment led displays for a number of things and when I saw two of those in the playfield I really got the impression that the game was working with a small budget.

It sure feels small budget. There really isn't anything interesting other than where a pop bumper is placed. Wow, a pop bumper where you don't expect it. That is the best they can think of?

The gameplay seems like it will be hit into the garage, start an adventure, and then hit whatever lighted arrow to complete it. Rinse and repeat.

You have something as cool as a portal gun to work with and don't take advantage of it in any creative way?

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#102 3 months ago

I love the show and have been looking for a new pin. It’s a dream theme. I was so excited to see the announcement of this theme, I immediately joined the Fang club! So why didn’t I buy in the end?

- Mechs and Toys. Scold me if you must, but I like toys in a home game. My JP Trex eats the ball. My POTC shoots a cannon. American Pinball goes all out. What’s here to justify the cost? We ragged on Star Wars for the tie fighter on a spring and rightfully so. Yet this gets a pass because Spooky is a boutique and we have to support it? Yes this ship on a spring has LEDs in it and such, but it’s still a spring.
- Art. Cabinet artwork looks great! Pops of colors and a lot going on. But... the translite and playfield look bland. A bunch of very similarly labeled inserts and not full of color like I’d have expected. Even the art blades looked sad.
- Price. With all the added components and shipping, it can reach 8-9k. But it just doesn’t quite look like a 9k pin to me. Even if I don’t buy them all, at least JJP games to me justify those prices with what they throw in.
- Potential wait up to 18 months
- Buying without playing or even a real stream showing it off

All that said I didn’t hate the pin at all. I’m sure it’ll be a lot of fun! And I admit I do have FOMO about it! But these are my reasons I didn’t buy one and that’s the way the news goes.

#103 3 months ago
Quoted from littlecammi:

I'm on vacation this week. Spooky sold out before I had a chance to place an order for one.
I phoned and left messages at three distributors looking for one but received no calls back.
I'll take any help I can get if someone knows how I can get on the order list.

Think youd have to buy someones spot at this point

#105 3 months ago

No room. Anyone have some land they wanna give me?

#106 3 months ago

From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like a 9K pin.

#107 3 months ago
#108 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like a 9K pin.

That'd be true since it isn't. That being said, I've seen enough Sterns that don't look like 9k pins as well that ARE 9k pins.

#109 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like a 9K pin.

Good thing they're not...whew. Game looks fantastic, but so did Wonka when I preordered it and that game is a turd, lasted 3 weeks. Hopefully mine is ready by May.

#110 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

Good thing they're not...whew. Game looks fantastic, but so did Wonka when I preordered it and that game is a turd, lasted 3 weeks.

Yeah, Wonka was a snooze fest for me.
What is the price for Rick/Morty?

#111 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Yeah, Wonka was a snooze fest for me.
What is the price for Rick/Morty?

$6995 is base price, hopefully it'll be the rare pin that holds its value or even increases.

#112 3 months ago
Quoted from phoenixpin:

I love the show and have been looking for a new pin. It’s a dream theme. I was so excited to see the announcement of this theme, I immediately joined the Fang club! So why didn’t I buy in the end?
- Mechs and Toys. Scold me if you must, but I like toys in a home game. My JP Trex eats the ball. My POTC shoots a cannon. American Pinball goes all out. What’s here to justify the cost? We ragged on Star Wars for the tie fighter on a spring and rightfully so. Yet this gets a pass because Spooky is a boutique and we have to support it? Yes this ship on a spring has LEDs in it and such, but it’s still a spring.
- Art. Cabinet artwork looks great! Pops of colors and a lot going on. But... the translite and playfield look bland. A bunch of very similarly labeled inserts and not full of color like I’d have expected. Even the art blades looked sad.
- Price. With all the added components and shipping, it can reach 8-9k. But it just doesn’t quite look like a 9k pin to me. Even if I don’t buy them all, at least JJP games to me justify those prices with what they throw in.
- Potential wait up to 18 months
- Buying without playing or even a real stream showing it off
All that said I didn’t hate the pin at all. I’m sure it’ll be a lot of fun! And I admit I do have FOMO about it! But these are my reasons I didn’t buy one and that’s the way the news goes.

This 100%. I will add that I'm a huge fan of the show. I love it. The more I looked at the playfield, the more I think there might have been missed opportunities for toys, ramps, modes, etc... The nail in the coffin was the potential 12 to 18 month wait. Perhaps I'll regret not jumping in, perhaps not.

#113 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

$6995 is base price, hopefully it'll be the rare pin that holds its value or even increases.

Hopefully.

How much was the loaded version with butter cabinet?

#114 3 months ago

It looks great! I love Spooky and I am an original owner of AMH and TNA. I’ve gotten to where I prefer to play them before buying over the last few years. It’s definitely saved me some money on games that I simply couldn’t make the shots consistent enough to enjoy it. I feel pretty confident I will own this game in the future.

#115 3 months ago

Honestly, the playfield doesn't look that interesting and I'm not a fan of the dull (in my opinion) upper playfield artwork. For $7k+ it looks bare in a number of areas and doesn't appear to have many interactive toys / features. Also, the right plastic ramp looks cheap at this price point. A plastic entrance / section for the ramp and metal habit rail would look much better. Finally, I don't like the lack of a ball return from a ramp / habit rail to the left flipper (reminds me of Black Knight SOR which I'm also not a fan of).

I'm sure my opinion will change once seeing gameplay videos and how the code develops.

#116 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Hopefully.
How much was the loaded version with butter cabinet?

It's optional, and not sure. All I know is I'm not paying extra for the same art that's hidden by other machines. Mine will be around 7600 with the knocker and bloodsucker edition extras. Also ordered right away at 9 am, within the first 100 orders. I wouldn't of ordered if I was near the end, not worth a year to year and a half wait. Four months wait is nothing, just did that with my JP Premium.

#117 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

Hopefully.
How much was the loaded version with butter cabinet?

Butter is an extra 1000, plus extra 50 to pack I've been told

#118 3 months ago

I like the show a lot but Rick’s voice tends to get on my nerves at some points which I see as a part of his character.
Thinking of hearing his voice every time I play pinball didnt sound very appealing.

#119 3 months ago

The hype and excitement around the announcement was enough to convince me that it would do well on location. (I only buy NIB for location, never for personal use).

I was underwhelmed by the gameplay teaser (and maybe secretly looking for reasons not to get one).

I stupidly thought that I had more days to decide, but by the time I checked the internet yesterday, they were all but sold out.

I later saw the video of Charlie explaining the playfield and that undid my underwhelm of the gameplay video. But it was too late by then. There will be like 10 more games released between now and the time the last Rick and Morty's roll off the line. And there will be opportunities to buy used ones before then anyway.

Congrats to Spooky! They can spend the next year and a half working on their next game while cranking these out. Can't wait to play one.

#120 3 months ago
Quoted from Zablon:

Oh yea?? I didn't even know what pinball was. I thought this was an acupuncture forum.

What are these ‘ball of pins’ that you speak of?

I’m going back to the soft porn gif thread...

#121 3 months ago

Will never understand buying before playing..and watched one episode because a buddy raved about it , wasn't a fan. Pin looks decent, a little too much purple, but decent....not eight G's decent, but decent.

#122 3 months ago

I will buy one a year later loaded with mods for $1000 off of list!

#123 3 months ago

No interest in the show and hoping Stranger Things is great.

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#124 3 months ago

As an operator I have heard and seen very few good things about the build quality and reliability of Spooky games, and have heard many, many bad things. I ask all the ops I know, from a variety of well-known locations across the country, some of which have several of their games out (including the "good ones," TNA and Alice Cooper), and the overwhelming majority of them see their games as both unreliable and poorly built. As an early WOZ pre-orderer who really took the brunt of jumping in excitedly with an unproven new company, waited the years for the game to come out, had endless headaches trying to keep it running once it did, and ultimately took a big loss on the game, I'm definitely gun-shy when it comes to pre-ordering/buying new games from iffy pinball companies. When Spooky posted the pic of the underside of Rick & Morty's playfield, my first thought was that it looked like an amateurish unkempt rat's nest, which really doesn't give me confidence in the rest of their build. I've also noticed that their games are disproportionately broken when I go to arcades and bars that have them, and also tend to get pulled from location altogether before long. It's too bad, because I have little doubt that the game would make money based on the theme alone, I like various aspects of Danesi's designs and enjoyed TNA, and I'm excited to see a pinball company embrace a theme that could resonate with younger players. The price was a pretty big deterrent as well -- it's ridiculous how expensive it is considering how lacking the game is in complexity, but I suppose that was justified to them by it instantly selling out.

Stranger Things is also an exciting theme, but I'm sadly on a self-imposed Stern game buying ban as well because of their playfield issues. JJP as well. So basically as it stands I won't buy brand new machines from anyone, and all because they break too easily or have art that bubbles and flakes off, instantly dropping the value of a game faster than it can even begin to pay for itself. I really hope these companies sort their issues out soon, because it sucks seeing nicely designed and fun games come out (JP has been hard to resist) that I'd like to buy and operate, but pass on because of the risks.

#125 3 months ago
Quoted from bobbyconover:

As an operator I have heard and seen very few good things about the build quality and reliability of Spooky games, and have heard many, many bad things. I ask all the ops I know, from a variety of well-known locations across the country, some of which have several of their games out (including the "good ones," TNA and Alice Cooper), and the overwhelming majority of them see their games as both unreliable and poorly built. As an early WOZ pre-orderer who really took the brunt of jumping in excitedly with an unproven new company, waited the years for the game to come out, had endless headaches trying to keep it running once it did, and ultimately took a big loss on the game, I'm definitely gun-shy when it comes to pre-ordering/buying new games from iffy pinball companies. When Spooky posted the pic of the underside of Rick & Morty's playfield, my first thought was that it looked like an amateurish unkempt rat's nest, which really doesn't give me confidence in the rest of their build. I've also noticed that their games are disproportionately broken when I go to arcades and bars that have them, and also tend to get pulled from location altogether before long. It's too bad, because I have little doubt that the game would make money based on the theme alone, I like various aspects of Danesi's designs and enjoyed TNA, and I'm excited to see a pinball company embrace a theme that could resonate with younger players. The price was a pretty big deterrent as well -- it's ridiculous how expensive it is considering how lacking the game is in complexity, but I suppose that was justified to them by it instantly selling out.
Stranger Things is also an exciting theme, but I'm sadly on a self-imposed Stern game buying ban as well because of their playfield issues. JJP as well. So basically as it stands I won't buy brand new machines from anyone, and all because they break too easily or have art that bubbles and flakes off, instantly dropping the value of a game faster than it can even begin to pay for itself. I really hope these companies sort their issues out soon, because it sucks seeing nicely designed and fun games come out (JP has been hard to resist) that I'd like to buy and operate, but pass on because of the risks.

Just wanted to say, TNA #2 (as in the second game built) has been on route since day one with great reliability.

Thousands of plays and still holding up very well. I think the early games AMH and RZ had a bit more issue for reliability on route (nothing out of ordinary) but TNA and afternoon have been rock solid.

Don’t let the wiring due to light set up and how Proc works scare you off. Games are really good.

I think if you operate games, you are crazy not to buy a R&M

#126 3 months ago

Two words. Brian Eddy

#127 3 months ago

If you've got the money and like the theme, you've got nothing to lose. Atleast that's how I look at the pinball hobby. 75% of my purchases are NIB, sure I lose some money when I sell but it's just money. The art looks great BTW. This has been an expensive December, WOZ, MMr and now RAM.

#128 3 months ago

I must live in another world I have no idea who Rick & Morty are. However I know who Johny Quest and Top Cat are.

Toss in I have no idea about the game, I have limited if any room unless I sell something.

If I was to get another pin I have a pecking order and this game isn't on it. I'm happy for those that want it though.

#129 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

It's optional, and not sure. All I know is I'm not paying extra for the same art that's hidden by other machines. Mine will be around 7600 with the knocker and bloodsucker edition extras. Also ordered right away at 9 am, within the first 100 orders. I wouldn't of ordered if I was near the end, not worth a year to year and a half wait. Four months wait is nothing, just did that with my JP Premium.

U picking up in person? If not shipping is another 200-300 which most will pay. Also heard spooky charges taxes depending on which state its shipped too? So since most ordered the bse most will be right near 8k before any extra stuff or possible taxes. So 8-9 k is a real possibility with all the extras, shipping and tax.

#130 3 months ago
Quoted from bobbyconover:

As an operator I have heard and seen very few good things about the build quality and reliability of Spooky games, and have heard many, many bad things. I ask all the ops I know, from a variety of well-known locations across the country, some of which have several of their games out (including the "good ones," TNA and Alice Cooper), and the overwhelming majority of them see their games as both unreliable and poorly built. As an early WOZ pre-orderer who really took the brunt of jumping in excitedly with an unproven new company, waited the years for the game to come out, had endless headaches trying to keep it running once it did, and ultimately took a big loss on the game, I'm definitely gun-shy when it comes to pre-ordering/buying new games from iffy pinball companies. When Spooky posted the pic of the underside of Rick & Morty's playfield, my first thought was that it looked like an amateurish unkempt rat's nest, which really doesn't give me confidence in the rest of their build. I've also noticed that their games are disproportionately broken when I go to arcades and bars that have them, and also tend to get pulled from location altogether before long. It's too bad, because I have little doubt that the game would make money based on the theme alone, I like various aspects of Danesi's designs and enjoyed TNA, and I'm excited to see a pinball company embrace a theme that could resonate with younger players. The price was a pretty big deterrent as well -- it's ridiculous how expensive it is considering how lacking the game is in complexity, but I suppose that was justified to them by it instantly selling out.
Stranger Things is also an exciting theme, but I'm sadly on a self-imposed Stern game buying ban as well because of their playfield issues. JJP as well. So basically as it stands I won't buy brand new machines from anyone, and all because they break too easily or have art that bubbles and flakes off, instantly dropping the value of a game faster than it can even begin to pay for itself. I really hope these companies sort their issues out soon, because it sucks seeing nicely designed and fun games come out (JP has been hard to resist) that I'd like to buy and operate, but pass on because of the risks.

I've also heard that the pins don't hold up too well on location unfortunately. While they have gotten much better with every release I think they have a little ways to go to make most ops happy and ready to purchase one.

#131 3 months ago

TNA is the only Spooky I've had, and it has held up well on location. Not much to go wrong. No ball traps. My experience with it gives me enough confidence to buy future games from them.

#132 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

U picking up in person? If not shipping is another 200-300 which most will pay. Also heard spooky charges taxes depending on which state its shipped too? So since most ordered the bse most will be right near 8k before any extra stuff or possible taxes. So 8-9 k is a real possibility with all the extras, shipping and tax.

I am picking up in person, they're only 4 hours away. With the new tax laws, isn't it if an online retailer sells more than $100k in a state, then they have to pay taxes for every transaction done in that state? Unfortunately taxes are a part of life. I don't consider taxes part of the cost, when you go to sell a machine do you try to recoup the taxes paid? Not me.

#133 3 months ago

I was going to buy the game, I didn’t look closely at the website or follow the thread. Been working this week!
I’ll get one when people start selling their deposits! Always happens with Spooky pins.

#134 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

With the new tax laws, isn't it if an online retailer sells more than $100k in a state, then they have to pay taxes for every transaction done in that state?

Each state has a different threshold, usually involving total revenue, number of sales, or some combination of the two.

#135 3 months ago
Quoted from ryanwanger:

Each state has a different threshold, usually involving total revenue, number of sales, or some combination of the two.

Ahhh, sounds like a nightmare for an online retailer.

#136 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

I am picking up in person, they're only 4 hours away. With the new tax laws, isn't it if an online retailer sells more than $100k in a state, then they have to pay taxes for every transaction done in that state? Unfortunately taxes are a part of life. I don't consider taxes part of the cost, when you go to sell a machine do you try to recoup the taxes paid? Not me.

No idea on laws.... and I've never paid them on a pin and if I had to I wldnt as that's a huge cost on a 8k purchase. Crazy how expensive these are getting for what you get

#137 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

I am picking up in person, they're only 4 hours away. With the new tax laws, isn't it if an online retailer sells more than $100k in a state, then they have to pay taxes for every transaction done in that state? Unfortunately taxes are a part of life. I don't consider taxes part of the cost, when you go to sell a machine do you try to recoup the taxes paid? Not me.

You are correct for Minnesota. 100K in sales, or 100 transactions.

I believe there is proposed federal legislation for next year on amending the law for small businesses because it's a nightmare (and expensive) to keep track of every state, county and municipality taxes.

#138 3 months ago

I’m just sitting here hoping one of my two raffle tickets win me this game.

Hoping they do a stream of the game soon so we can see what she’s all about.

#139 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

No idea on laws.... and I've never paid them on a pin and if I had to I wldnt as that's a huge cost on a 8k purchase. Crazy how expensive these are getting for what you get

Come to think of it I haven't either, purchased 8 games this year between Automated Services, Classic Game Rooms and Fargo pinball. I suppose that would be almost $500-$600 in taxes per game. I guess I'd have to think about if paying the tax would be worth it first. Shipping is understandable and expected if not a Stern. Fortunately with our hobby you can recoup 80%-90% of NIB price when you sell. I always think about the $200 Whirlwind I found last year, then flipped it for $2500 or the $900 EBD when I think of my NIB losses. We've got it pretty good to be able to be in the hobby in the first place. Just don't tell my wife the actual cost of the machines.

#140 3 months ago

Love the theme, but I dont buy pinball loot crates. I hope the game is awesome. If it is, i’ll buy it used, because you just know some guy is gonna play it for three weeks and decide to sell.

Been on the fence about selling my first owner HUO Tron, maybe it will be time for a trade soon. No loot crate involved. ACNC is tempting too

#141 3 months ago
Quoted from PokerJake:

Come to think of it I haven't either, purchased 8 games this year between Automated Services, Classic Game Rooms and Fargo pinball. I suppose that would be almost $500-$600 in taxes per game. I guess I'd have to think about if paying the tax would be worth it first. Shipping is understandable and expected if not a Stern. Fortunately with our hobby you can recoup 80%-90% of NIB price when you sell. I always think about the $200 Whirlwind I found last year, then flipped it for $2500 or the $900 EBD when I think of my NIB losses. We've got it pretty good to be able to be in the hobby in the first place. Just don't tell my wife the actual cost of the machines.

Yep we do have it pretty good overall but that 80-90 percent recoup is going down quickly as prices keep going up and more pins get released. It's more like 60-75 once prices reach 8-9k . Still overall this hobby is better than most at supporting itself .

#142 3 months ago

I cannot answer this question.

#143 3 months ago

I actually wrote a mail to spooky, if they were able to ship to sweden?

Got a reply, they were going to check it out.
I replied great, but didn`t hear anything more, so seems no.

#144 3 months ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

From what I’ve seen, it doesn’t look like a 9K pin.

ive yet to see a pin that's actually worth 9k anywhere.

#145 3 months ago
Quoted from Tommy-dog:

I wanted to vote twice: Who is Rick and Morty and not crazy about Spooky games. I have played all the prior released Spooky games and none of them have impressed me.

Agree.

#147 3 months ago

This is not loaded like a JJP POTC I agree, but I’m hoping it plays great anyway. I’m in for a BS edition and at only 750 made I’ll always be able to flip it for what I paid. Also I think Spooky knows AMH and RZ build quality wasn’t good, but TNA was and I’m sure this will be the better built even still.

#148 3 months ago
Quoted from tacshose:

This is not loaded like a JJP POTC I agree, but I’m hoping it plays great anyway. I’m in for a BS edition and at only 750 made I’ll always be able to flip it for what I paid. Also I think Spooky knows AMH and RZ build quality wasn’t good, but TNA was and I’m sure this will be the better built even still.

Well, as recent pin trends would show, it’s never a guarantee to sell a pin for more than what you paid, just because there’s so many different options right now. Hopefully it plays well and the owners that jumped into the deep end early are covered.

#149 3 months ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

I've also heard that the pins don't hold up too well on location unfortunately. While they have gotten much better with every release I think they have a little ways to go to make most ops happy and ready to purchase one.

This is just flat out wrong.

How many games do they need to have on route and how many OPs need to tell you differently?

I can tell you I track all my time and where it goes. TNA has been the least effort to maintain for any new game in the past 24 months.

Easy to maintain, operator friendly for cleaning, best customer service, and best mech quality and of quality.

all the OPs I talk with (and we all talk to and help each other), TNA and ACNC have been great in route. Issues have always been very simple. Loose connector or a simple switch adjustment. Or a broken spring.

Almost 20% of all built TNAs are still on route. If they were having issues or not getting played then that would be different.

#150 3 months ago

IMO, it just seems much less impressive than ACNC. I remember seeing ACNC when it was revealed at TPF and I was blown away by it. This, not so much. I'm sure it'll turn out to be a great game but the price is creeping into the JJP LE territory. It's a little much for what you're getting here I believe.

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